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Salman Rushdie A church fire in Giza, Egypt, kills 41 people, including several children. Salman Rushdie (pictured), author of The Satanic Verses, is critically injured after a stabbing at a speech in the United States. A mass mortality event involving fish, beavers and other wildlife occurs in the Polish part of the river Oder, causing a health and environmental crisis. A mass shooting after a family conflict in Cetinje, Montenegro, leaves 11 people dead and 6 others injured. Ongoing: COVID-19 pandemic Russian invasion of Ukraine Recent deaths: Corky Palmer Jean-Jacques Sempé Luis Enrique Oberto Olivia Newton-John Freya Anne Heche Nominate an article view — page history — related changes —

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FIFA sanctions Indian FA[]

Nominator's comments: Article needs updating but otherwise it's well written. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose Update doesn't currently meet WP:ITNCRIT. It's impact seems minimal, only affecting a U-!7 event.—Bagumba (talk) 09:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've updated the AIFF article now. Well they cannot qualify the Asian Championships or the World Cup, fairly significant for the most/2nd most populous nation in the world's most widely played and watched sport. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:19, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment It's a one-line update on a start-class article. I would like to see the situation explained better on Wikipedia before blurbing. Not sure about the impact but this does seem quite major. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:22, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose temporary bans for government interference in sports boards are quite common and are usually lifted once the board is cleared out/reset, so this is fairly transient. Also, India are hopeless at football/soccer and have no chance of qualifying for the World Cup so this basically won't affect any high level tournaments Bumbubookworm (talk) 11:29, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose due to lack of significance. Even if it was important enough to post, there's only two relevant sentences in the article, giving no more information than is in the blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 11:37, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:42, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support major news, the worlds most populous country suspended from hosting events for the worlds most popular sport, and two months before a major event. Obvious notability. Needs one more sentence update and maybe some reactions and it's good to go. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose per above and SNOW close. The event is of minimal significance and the target article has not been updated well enough. EditMaker Me (talk) 12:23, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose per everyone else! Polyamorph (talk) 12:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Frederick Buechner[]

Nominator's comments: Prodigious author, Pulitzer and National Book Award finalist, O. Henry Award winner. I haven't ed/updated the article, but is comprehensive and seems well-sourced. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 01:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Nicholas Evans[]

Nominator's comments: Best known as the author of The Horse Whisperer. Died on 9 August 2022 following a heart attack at the age of 72, but death announced publicly on 15 August 2022. Article needs expansion and further citations before posting. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:40, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Lenny Johnrose[]

Nominator's comments: Ex-Bury & Burnley football midfielder died aged 52, five years after motor neurone disease diagnosis. Source given is about news of his death. Article needs expansion and further citations before posting. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:30, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2022 Kenyan general election[]

Article: 2022 Kenyan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​William Ruto (pictured) is elected President of Kenya. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​William Ruto (pictured) is elected President of Kenya, defeating Raila Odinga
Alternative blurb II: ​Kenya's incumbent Deputy President, William Ruto (pictured) declared president-elect in spite of chaotic scenes and dismissal by the loosing party led by Raila Odinga and some members of the electoral committee.
News source(s): BBC, Sky News, Reuters, AP, France 24, AlJazeera, DW, CNN, The Independent
Crs:

• Nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give cr)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Dramatic election once again, in one of Africa’s most vibrant democracies BastianMAT (talk) 15:32, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support - Major news EvergreenFir (talk) 15:34, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment - firstly, the individual should not be a bolded link, the news item is the election only, as per all other elections worldwide (e.g. the last US election, in which Joe Biden was not bolded). Secondly, there needs to be a prose update in the linked article detailing what happened, as we would expect for any election or event of this nature. 2017_Kenyan_general_election#President at least has a few sentences explaining how things unfolded and who won. Thirdly, and this probably isn't an issue at this stage as reliable sources are reporting that Ruto is president-elect, but there's some controversy going on around this. Four of the electoral commissioners have disowned the result that their own chairman has announced, and it is very likely that the result will go to the Supreme Court in the next week or two, to air whatever issues those commissioners plus the losers of the election may have to say. I'm not sure what would happen if we report this as news now, then have to announce something different further down the line if there's a re-run for example... (as there was in 2017). Food for thought anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Needs update. I agree with Amakuru that the bold link should be to the election, not Ruto. The content already in the election article is good and adequately referenced, but it doesn't have any prose on the results. Needs some textual description, reaction, aftermath etc. - especially if the opponents have said they intend to appeal. Modest Genius ^talk 17:05, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Weak oppose for now per Modest Genius. Lack of prose in the "Preliminary results" section (which preliminary seems not to be anymore) and a section on reactions/aftermath is missing. That they are challenged before the Supreme Court is a consequence of the elections, which by themselves are INTR. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:20, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose I just listened to a report on BBC Radio and the result didn't sound reliable – a week to count the votes; violence at the announcement and election officials disowning the result. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:26, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  The results have been reported by the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission. The reliability of this commission and of the results of the elections must be assumed, no matter how much there are opponents who reject them or may "smell bad" the counts. Saying what you say, it would exclude from being ITNR the elections in many countries, especially in Africa, and we've already said on several occasions that it's not up to us to make this judgment. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Yes, but in this case four members of the actual IEBC you cite have disowned the reported result. Although for as yet unspecified reasons. It's not just the opposition candidates. However, the crucial point is that reliable sources are calling the result a Ruto win, so for that purpose we can regard the result as final for now, pending any further supreme court decision which might be made in the future.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Exactly. In the same way as was done with the American presidential elections: when reliable sources announced the results, these were already taken for firm. It would be ITNR-worthy (IMO) in the event that the Supreme Court invalidates the results and a general election has to be held again in Kenya. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:56, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment – Follow the RS reports. – Sca (talk) 19:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• The BBC is the reliable source I'm reading and it says, "Four of the seven members of the electoral commission refused to endorse the result, saying it was "opaque". ... Kenya's history of disputed elections in the past have led to violence or the whole process election being cancelled. ... The Kenyan Supreme Court annulled the last election ...". As we are an encyclopedia, not a newspaper, there's no rush and so it would be prudent to wait a while and see how this works out. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  The BBC also says Ruto won. It’s not up to us to judge whether the election was free and fair, only to post the results. The Kip (talk) 23:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose Am I missing something? I don't see any text about the result or the split in the electoral commission.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:50, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support ... in principle, pending article development. Official results appear to have been accepted. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Denise Dowse[]

• Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:06, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 14[]

2022 Yerevan explosion[]

Nominator's comments: Major world news. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose on notability and because the article itself is no more than a stub. Also, the proposed blurb has no link to the target article. EditMaker Me (talk) 07:38, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixed blurb. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose on quality, I hope someone may expand this article further. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:24, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pueblos Unidos cartel is broken up[]

Nominator's comments: Major event where 146 gang members are arrested, with 142 assault rifles, 42 pistols, and a 28 vehicle convoy captured in one move, disbanding whole (albeit smaller) cartel. Could not find the article to this cartel but likely has another name? Article needs updating too. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:37, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose Seems to be a local group, formed in 2021 to defend avocado farms from drug cartels, tangential at best. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose per InedibleHulk. A local group, doesn't mark a before and after in the war against carteles, with no relevant leaders, no long history of its activity and not even a Wikipedia article of its own. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I'll defer to you on relevancy of leaders. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  It seems that they're more relevant than I thought, but they don't have their own article in Wikipedia either. I had in mind characters such as Vicente Carrillo Fuentes, Miguel Caro Quintero... _-_Alsor (talk) 22:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Wait The group has not disbanded; it has retaliated. The situation seems complex and confused: "A Pueblos Unidos leader arrived at the scene to negotiate with the authorities and after making agreements, the retained officers were let go. Neither the authorities nor Pueblos Unidos would share details of the negotiations. ..." And coverage seems limited and patchy. Searching for sources, I'm liking this related story about a giant hole. I've been watching Narcos lately and these incidents and plot twists would make more great TV... Andrew🐉(talk) 23:08, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  That is one of the better corporate vampire sinkhole stories I've read this year, so thanks. But make no mistake, those Pueblos Unidos are from long ago and far away. Non-canonical, as the TV kids say, just a good name for any united people without a more distinctive brand. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose – I'm not finding any coverage on Pueblos Unidos anywhere on Wikipedia. They are not even mentioned in the Mexican drug war article (which also seems a bit of a broad article for such a blurb). Wikipedia readers are poorly served if we blurbed this. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose There is no article on this. Polyamorph (talk) 08:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment If it's solely the lack of article for Pueblos Unidos then I can create it as there does look to be plenty of WP:RS on them. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:22, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose – Encyclopedic target article totals 1,400 words and doesn't focus on a news development. Doesn't seem appropriate for ITN.
  – Sca (talk) 13:07, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Giza church fire[]

Nominator's comments: Breaking news so obviously article is only one line long at the moment. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose on significance and quality - a single sentence! Polyamorph (talk) 15:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support in principle. However, the article needs major expansion before this gets posted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support in principle. This clearly needs work to be able to be posted, but I profoundly disagree with Polyamorph claiming that this dister lacks significance. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support once expanded, which Ill get to work on. nableezy - 15:58, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Think there enough here at this point, will keep working on it though. nableezy - 16:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support in principle, article needs more information, although the unfortunate number of losses is significant.. Alex-h (talk) 16:06, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose on quality article is too short. Support it once improved. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:37, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Just so I know what people are looking for here, how long of an article do you think is necessary to post? nableezy - 16:47, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  More than 400 words. A Start class article. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

•  Done, currently at 441 words of readable prose. nableezy - 17:24, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Is still a stub article. Perhaps with a section titled "Background" that talks about the Coptic community in Giza, the history of that church, what they were celebrating (or if it was an ordinary Sunday mass), if there is any similar precedent.... _-_Alsor (talk) 17:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thats just based on the assessment on the talk page though. Id say this is start class at least at this point. Ill see what I can find for background without resorting to synth though, but id expect it to take some time for that type of analysis tying together past events to happen here. nableezy - 17:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And done, this would now meet the DYK requirements for length (524 words, 3258 characters of readable prose) to post as well. nableezy - 18:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment - the title of the article is very generic; arguably it should be merged into the parent article of the subject church, which also should be updated. The blurb needs to link the article as well, currently it does not meet posting requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 17:47, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Agreed on the title, added altblurb to address those issues. nableezy - 18:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support Major disaster with significant loss of life. Article quality is now acceptable for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:04, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support The article now meets the minimum requirements for ITNR and is a notable disaster. No longer a stub article. Good job Naableezy. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support on the basis of the quality of the article I created and the significant amount of deaths. Fixer88 (talk) 19:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Wait - there is uncertainty over the identity and location of the subject church. - Indefensible (talk) 19:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dont think that matters tbh, but I *think* I have the correct location now, but either way until its verified can just keep that out. We have a name and neighborhood, dont need exact coordinates. nableezy - 19:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is no need to rush, this is an encyclopedia and not a news site. - Indefensible (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Im not rushing, but the article does not have a wikilink to a church or coordinates, not having that isnt all that important. The confusion you speak of is now just on the talk page, and it shouldnt matter for our purposes here now. nableezy - 19:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support as per previous users. Quality is now up to par. The Kip (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment cr to @Nableezy: for majorly expanding the article! Abcmaxx (talk) 21:32, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment more than ready to go, strong consensus and a reasonable article. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Freya[]

 Count Iblis (talk) 13:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose Only 239 words, too stubby. --Masem (t) 13:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose per Masem. Barely any content and only four references total.Polyamorph (talk) 13:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Polyamorph, if references are an issue, I can easily find and addd more, I'm just conscious of WP:OVERCITE. (Also, I must disagree with the "stubby" assessment, rater predicts Start class anyway) HenryTemplo (talk) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    We expect articles posted to main page to be >500 words. While not a "stub", it still is too stubby for front page. Masem (t) 15:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    I suppose it depends on one's definition of what a stub is, which can be subjective. Regardless, I (or anyone else) can still work on and expand the article to make it more suitable for here. Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 15:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    Start is only one up from stub. The lack of references reflects the lack of content. Polyamorph (talk) 15:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    The article is still in a work in progress, besides, rather that WP:CITEBOMB the article, I'd rather WP:MINE the sources I already have and expand the content of the article (although perhaps it was too soon for the ITN nomination?). If you want to find references, try googling "Freya walrus", it's pretty well covered, don't worry! Feel free to help expand the article if you want, and have a great day :) HenryTemplo (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    As I said, it's not so much about the lack of references than the lack of content.Polyamorph (talk) 16:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment, I'm not sure if the death of animals is a right topic for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 15:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  If the animal is notable enough to have its own wikiarticle, it's fine. Racehorses and popular zoo animals have gone on RD before. --PFHLai (talk) 16:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  @Alex-h: Articles about animals are occasionally posted on ITN. As the nominating template says, "any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post". Sunshineisles2 (talk) 18:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support, for me, if a article is long enough for DYK (which this article is), it's long enough for ITN. HenryTemplo (talk) 16:08, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support. Per policy, we should not debate whether an animal (or person) is "appropriate" to appear, as per explanation included in every single nomination. We need only discuss whether the article quality suffices. And since I've just approved this for DYK, I think it's per definition now no longer a stub (was also expanded a bit recently, now at 400 words), and could appear. --LordPeterII (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  ITN requires a higher word count (500), as with RDs we are generally expecting that the article already exists, and the death confirmation is being added. Masem (t) 17:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  When does it get posted to DYK? Having it on both columns would be redundant. - Indefensible (talk) 18:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  @Indefensible: Unlikely anytime soon, it's not in any queue yet, only just approved.

  @Masem: I see. I'm not as active here, and don't know the specifics. To be fair, the animal has been in the news and named since October 2021, but we didn't have an article until now (probably because, well, Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS). It's now at 467 words, only a little short, so I still stand by my vote. --LordPeterII (talk) 18:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support on present quality. BD2412 T 17:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose The problem is that it's not really a biography, is it? It's a news story about a walrus. Whilst it probably passes GNG, given the very low bar there (although, frankly, WP:NOTNEWS), it should really be "2022 Norwegian walrus incident" or something like that. Let's face it, if it had been an important story, the article would have existed before (checks notes) six hours ago. Black Kite (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  @Black Kite: As you can read in my reply above, I've very slyly turned the "not news" argument against you ;) Although I get what you mean: It's not the usual nomination, and I can understand why you'd vote oppose. I see it differently (we currently only have two named wild walruses, this one and Wally), but yeah I trust consensus will determine what's best. --LordPeterII (talk) 18:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment: At least on the technical side, we are now at 526 words. --LordPeterII (talk) 20:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

... due to recent expansion, we are now at 662 words. And to those skeptical in regards to article creation, there really are several sources dating to 2021, we just did not have an article up until now. Which totally makes sense if you think about it, it only became WP:NOTNEWS due to the continued press coverage months later. --LordPeterII (talk) 21:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post". Andrew🐉(talk) 20:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Keep in mind that there was no WP article until today about the walrus, thus the above issues related to length and notability are 100% fair game to consider. Most of that has been resolved since but we still will raise questions of notability of an article created on the same day as the death if it is short and/or lacking sourcing. Masem (t) 22:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  That's what WP:AFD is for. If you or anyone else doubts the notability, that's how to go about asserting the concern. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  If we tagged it for AFD that would 1) be pointy (given that there were ors sayign they were working on expanding it) and 2) disqualify the article for ITN posting while the AFD tag sat there. The reason to make sure that there's enough content for a freshly created article that is then put to be on RD is to make sure that it meets our quality expectations (500 words min, using reasonable sourcing) If for some reason that a new article couldn't get to those levels, then yes, an AFD would be required. It's just the claim "oh, there's a standalone, we must post" is not how we operate, we're still evaluating the quality of the standalone for posting. That's not an automatic blind thing that Andrew is suggesting. --Masem (t) 22:59, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I am fully aware of all this. Yet an article with sufficient coverage existed, sufficient notability was asserted, no-one had AFD'ed it. So that's just time to move on. By the time Andrew made his vote, all the boxes were checked. There was literally nothing else to be concerned about. Feels like there's some wonkery afoot here, "a freshly created article" caveat. Nein danke. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:05, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support article is reasonable enough, covers the death of a notable animal, nothing much more to debate here unless someone wants to take the article to WP:AFD of course, otherwise, hurry up and post. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:28, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Vinayak Mete[]

Nominator's comments: Article needs more information to be added as well as citations for some of the information it currently contains. Hopefully this nomination leads to the fixing of these issues. EditMaker Me (talk) 12:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose barely more than a stub. Both sections are entirely unsourced. Polyamorph (talk) 13:55, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• A Recent Death nomination with zero footnotes in the Death section?^{Some REFs are in place now. --PFHLai (talk) 16:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC)} Please expand this stub and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ongoing: 2022 European heat waves[]

Nominator's comments: This is an important current topic linked to the 2022 Oder environmental disaster, 2022 European drought, Climate change in Europe and 2022 European and Merranean wildfires and includes the 2022 United Kingdom heat wave. Munci (talk) 10:36, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support: The heatwave is ongoing and has caused droughts, huge wildfires and environmental damage. greyzxq ^talk 11:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose: Many sections of the article haven't been updated for weeks. Miggie H (talk) 11:33, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment – It would take a herculean effort to cobble together a good article about the high levels of heat this summer around the world.
  – Sca (talk) 12:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

PS: ID sources per usual format, please. – Sca (talk)

This is my first time suggesting something for ITN so I am not sure what you mean. I did try and follow the instructions. Munci (talk) 17:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See other nom's re sources. -- Sca (talk) 22:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose There are multiple heat waves besides the ones in Europe happening in the world. Does not make sense to isolate one at this time. --Masem (t) 13:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support The drought should also be mentioned. It's the worst drought in about 500 years. It's now rivaling the 1540 European drought "Everything began in northern Italy, with a winter that felt like a July. Not a single drop fell from October 1539 to early April 1540. Then the drought advanced north."[5] July brought such an "ember-like heat that churches made prayers while the Rhine, Elbe and Seine could be crossed on a dry foot. Where there was still water, the warm broth acquired a green colour," dead fish floated belly-up." Count Iblis (talk) 13:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  That’s how they usually float. – Sca (talk) 14:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose per Masem. Climate change is a reality that affects the entire planet and wanting to focus only on one region is reckless. The European summer (especially in the Merranean) is like this: record heat waves, droughts and forest fires. Nothing new under the sun. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support It is a quite major collection of events, impacting quite a lot of Europe, and as per Count Iblis, it is the biggest drought in almost 500 years. GamerOfStrategy (talk) 17:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support Driving force behind a significant amount of notable news items. The Kip (talk) 19:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose Ongoing is for ongoing events. This article is a collection of events, most finished, several not begun. Even if we did treat list articles as event articles, for whatever reason, it seems Eurocentric to single out the European branch of 2022 heat waves till December 31. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:32, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I suppose we could put 2022 heat waves instead. Munci (talk) 10:13, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That article has the same basic problem, as a hodgepodge of concluded events. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:08, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• On closer examination, this article also sucks. Of the five "August heat wave" sections, only Ireland's mentions a heatwave (maxed at 31, only water-related deaths, but still). The others are single high temperatures or slightly broader predictions. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:00, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose Firstly, I do not see an issue with simply putting up specific notable heat waves for nomination. I think just having had one rise to the level of individual nomination is not enough to consider this for ongoing - if a second posted heat wave occurs, the perhaps we should consider this for ongoing. Beyond that, the organization of the article is poor. The article stratifies by country, but even under each country specific waves are not specified, and it is not specified in many cases the wave in question associated with the statements provided in the article. Just seems like a lot of information thrown together randomly - information that may be useful, but not as much so without context. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment from proposer Equivalent articles are ongoing on the French and German versions of Wikipedia. Munci (talk) 10:13, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment – Possibly relevant: "Global heating has caused ‘shocking’ changes in forests across the Americas." – Sca (talk) 12:08, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Two different continents, three studies from the 2010s and no mention of heat waves, but yeah, possibly. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:22, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment As per Count Iblis I think the drought is more notable, and also ongoing. I mean, heatwaves we have had some in recent years, but c'mon, from that article's lede: The European Commission has warned that it will be Europe's worst drought in 500 years (!) – that's something, if indeed no rain is to come soon. We in Europe are not California, that's really new to us. --LordPeterII (talk) 18:15, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  That line misrepresented the source, changed now, still seems relatively ongoing. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:42, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose. Unlike the July ones, these aren't record-breaking.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:00, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose Current practice of posting items for major events (e.g. Oder) makes the most sense at this time; article organization could use improvement. Spencer^T•C 01:56, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Rakesh Jhunjhunwala[]

Nominator's comments: Indian business executive. Article requires some work before it can be ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 04:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support: Very very prominent figure in Indian stock market and Economy. Supporting inclusion in the RD. --Titodutta (talk) 04:25, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support High profile billionaire, possibly already generated lots of publicity after his company Akasa Air commenced operations a few days ago. Nythar^T.C 06:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose Maintenance tag will have to be dealt with first. Schwede66 15:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• The article lead is rewritten. --Titodutta (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing removal: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine[]

August 13[]

RD: Steve Worster[]

 – Muboshgu (talk) 16:52, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support Basics covered and sufficiently sourced.—Bagumba (talk) 10:18, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Maung Paw Tun[]

 Htanaungg (talk) 08:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• This stubby wikibio currently has only 265 words of prose. Anything more to write about this person? --PFHLai (talk) 11:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  @PFHLai: I have a bit expanded; it's now 328 words. Thank you. Htanaungg (talk) 03:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Excellent! Thank you for the expansion, @Htanaungg. Start class now. -- PFHLai (talk) 16:14, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment – RS coverage? – Sca (talk) 12:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support recipient of the National Lifetime Award for Literary Achievement is notable and highly respected writer in Myanmar. Taung Tan (talk) 04:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment: Htanaungg This article is really close; would you be able to add 1-3 sentences about what his "renowned works" were about? (Are they fiction/nonfiction, short stories, themes? etc.) Spencer^T•C 01:49, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  @Spencer: Thank you for your comment. I have added some. Htanaungg (talk) 10:52, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 12[]

(Posted) RD: Anshu Jain[]

Nominator's comments: Banker / Business executive. I will work on the article shortly. RIP. Did not require any major s. Good to go in current state imo. RIP. Ktin (talk) 13:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support Sourced and size ok. He died on Friday 12 August 2022. Grimes2 (talk) 14:05, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 19:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support article looks good. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Oder environmental disaster[]

Nominator's comments: A whole ecosystem has been wiped out along half the country and likely affect Germany too. They found several tons of dead wildlife in the river which stretches 840km. Protests among the local population already. Needs article. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment Do you have a main article for this event? I don't think we can post it if there isn't a base article for it & I don't think the section in the Oder article is long enough to warrant a post XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@XxLuckyCxX: I couldn't find one, was hoping this nomination would help. If there isn't one then I can create 2022 Oder environmental disaster. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I see some updating at Oder#Contamination_in_2022. Let's call this article the nominated article for now. --PFHLai (talk) 22:14, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Update Created separate article, as the section was only 2 sentences long, and this could easily be a standalone article. Nowhere near perfect or even ready to post, but it's a start; any help very welcome! Abcmaxx (talk) 22:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support in principle Article def. needs work like OP stated but looks fine currently XxLuckyCxX (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support in principle - This is a developing story, with contradictory information from different sides of the border, but it looks pretty significant. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support in principle - Some sources are suggesting this may be the permanent destruction of the river's ecosystem, which would make this event notable. With improvements to the article, especially regarding sources, I support the addition of this item to the current events section, in principle. StrongPencil (talk) 01:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support in principle - As this is causing a major environmental and health disaster in Poland, and seems to be triggering a major political crisis, this is more than significant enough to be posted. However, the article needs some more cleanup^{no pun intended} before it can be posted. Mount Patagonia (talk) 03:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment. If we go ahead with this posting, I would recommend going with ALTBLURB (ALT1) instead of the original blurb. Do not want to posit a "likely" cause unless it is definitively stated. Ktin (talk) 03:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support per above, and agree with Kitin that ALTBLURB is preferrable. EditMaker Me (talk) 05:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support for reasons already pointed out. Ayyydoc (talk) 05:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Update Length now should be much better, lots of sources. Apologies for the bare references, I tried to add a lot of information in a very short space of time. Concur that the cause is unknown still it seems, at the time of nomination I thought mercury poisoning was pretty much the consensus at the time. Abcmaxx (talk) 05:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support in principle. This is an excellent story of high encyclopedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support I think the article looks good and will be expanded over time. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:29, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support,This is a major disaster which will effect people's life. Alex-h (talk) 12:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support Germany is also affected by the disaster (should be mentioned in blurb). Grimes2 (talk) 12:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support ... in principle, pending article development. Widely covered for several weeks in Germany, which shares the Oder (called Odra in Polish) with Poland. – Sca (talk) 12:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support and more: this is just one part of the current ecolgoical crises, including heatwaves in Europe for example, which should have a major place along with the invasion of the Ukraine by Putin and Covid-19. Munci (talk) 18:05, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment This article really isn’t ready for the front page yet. Far too slim and vague. Thriley (talk) 19:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Posted The article is short, but I think it's just long enough and detailed enough to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Consensus seems clear that the article was not ready for posting. I see two ors that are okay with the article and at least seven that aren't. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose little more than a stub Polyamorph (talk) 13:27, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Pretty thin – about 460 words of text, some of which is reax. -- Sca (talk) 22:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose - This article is in rather poor shape. For example, I just removed the line, "According to anglers, it is unlikely they would ever be able to fish again in the water." Fishermen are not ecologists, and furthermore, the source does not even say that. Recommend pulling. Schierbecker (talk) 02:59, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose – This particular ecological event seems to be over, and forecast rain may wash away the 'stale' results. – Sca (talk) 13:24, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Cetinje shooting[]

Nominator's comments: Very rare mass shooting in a small European country; reported worldwide. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Weak oppose Yes, few mass shootings happen there, but this is a result of a domestic dispute and not a terrorism or similar operation. --Masem (t) 21:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I may be wrong, but I think this may be the country's worst shooting ever (granted independent not that long, and small population, but still) Abcmaxx (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also its not the motive that's the notable part, it is the rarity, location and scale of the tragedy surely. I am unconvinced this would be more notable if 11 people died because the perpetrator was a terrorist.Abcmaxx (talk) 22:01, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support this is possibly the worst mass shooting in Montenegro ever, and given we routinely post mass shootings from other parts of the world where they are a daily occurrence, it seems relevant to give this as some kind of global context. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:16, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• When has that been routine here? nableezy - 22:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Yawn. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 00:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's routine when the death toll reaches a certain threshold relative to other mass shootings in the same country, or in cases where there is something particularly noteworthy about the details surrounding what happened (e.g. elementary school children were the victims). We don't post every single mass shooting in the US, even ones with a moderately high death toll, because of how common they are—but we do still post many of them. Same goes for Iraq back when it was being suicide-bombed on the regular. Kurtis ^(talk) 04:30, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I dont think thats true, and I think the yawning fellow up above must actually be asleep to have blacked out his constant repetitive opposes to any mass shooting in the United States, opposes that have largely carried the day. We rarely post mass shootings in the US, and the claim that we do routinely is bs. nableezy - 20:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support The worst mass shooting in the area ever (not only in country’s history) is something that merits inclusion. I really don’t understand the hangers-on to the notion that domestic incidents are inferior to terrorist attacks. We should be more pragmatic and look at the consequences in first place.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:37, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support - widely covered in major sources around the world, seems like an obvious reason to support. nableezy - 22:48, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support Mass shootings in Montenegro are not usual. Being the worst ever in this country/area makes it ITNR-worthy without any doubt. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)pReply[reply]
• Support and endorse Kiril Simeonovski's criticism of the apparent hierarchy being applied by other users. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:10, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support Well, we generally post mass shootings which have left 11 people dead in the US. Seems reasonable to post this one. Although oddly, it's not showing up on the BBC's front page, or Reuters. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Posted. My first time doing an ITN update; please let me know if I've done anything wrong. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 08:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• post-posting comment: i am not sure if "after a family conflict" is an appropriate description for the shooting. earlier reports, including the one from the guardian referenced in the nomination, mention a "family dispute", but later reports, such as this reuters source, appear to have been avoiding that description. the reuters source reports that a police director stated that the family killed was "staying at the house of the shooter as tenants", and the description of the victims in the bolded article in the blurb seems to confirm this. dying (talk) 10:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  DW,quoting Montenegrin public broadcaster RTCG, also refers to a family dispute. -- Sca (talk) 12:27, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  i agree that previous reports mentioned a "family dispute", as i stated above. however, my point is that the story appears to have changed.

  • compare this earlier rtcg report ("Saznajemo da je tragediji prethodio porodični sukob") with this more recent one ("Policija nema saznanja, niti je prijavljivano, da su postojali raniji konflkti [sic], niti napad u posljednjem periodu Borilovića na porodicu podstanara").
  • alternatively, compare this version of a report from the new york times ("the attack ... came after a family dispute") with an updated version of the same article ("The gunman first targeted the mother and her two children, who were tenants staying on his property").
  • the english dw article you linked has clearly not been updated ("the violence started while the attacker was arguing with his family members"), while the german dw article casts doubt on the earlier description of the dispute ("Warum er sie erschossen hat, ist bislang völlig unklar. Medien berichteten von einem 'Familienstreit'.").

  as the article has been updated, the itn blurb appears to no longer be supported by the article. stating that a dispute is a "family dispute" suggests that the dispute is within one family (as otherwise, perhaps all disputes are family disputes), and the updated article makes it clear that the shooter borilović was not a member of the family martinović. dying (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Post-posting support The article remains up to date. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

According to above comments, it seems that "family dispute" may be misleading. That should be removed from the blurb. Remember BLP. In general blurbs often are lengthier than they need to be. Omit needless words. --47.147.118.55 (talk) 04:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Post-posting comment – Definitely dubious in terms of significance. – Sca (talk) 12:13, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Salman Rushdie stabbing[]

Nominator's comments: To me this is one of the most important news items of the decade,comparable to the 1989 Iranian fatwa sentencing him to death for blasphemy. (Redacted) Tlhslobus (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support as nom.Tlhslobus (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That isn't necessary; your support is already assumed. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, though in my case it shouldn't be assumed, if only because I once nominated an item without being sure whether I was in favour of posting, as distinct from being in favour of having a discussion on whether it should be posted (which logically is all that a nomination really implies). Tlhslobus (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment There is a stub article, Stabbing of Salman Rushdie, but that currently gives less information than Salman_Rushdie#Chautauqua_attack_(2022). -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose assuming he survives the operations post-attack (which it sounds like he will). If he dies from it, a blurb may be appropriate as that's 100% an unusual death, but as an attack that he survives, it's a minor footnote. --Masem (t) 20:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose It's not even one of the most important stories of the week, let alone the decade (unless he dies, of course). Oh, and your nom statement is offensive to Muslims, even if the "woke" part of it makes it laughable. Black Kite (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  A prize-winning novelist who has had a foreign government calling for his death for years, is stabbed repeatedly and is now on a ventilator, has a damaged liver and may lose an eye. Not all those details were known when you wrote the above but still, "not even one of the important stories of the week" seems way off to me. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:55, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose (unless of course the poor fellow dies). While it's certainly dramatic, this isn't going to be more than a brief footnote even in his own biography. And yes, the nomination is ludicrously partisan and filled with religious animus. We can and should do better, whatever our feelings on the subjects of our nominations and !votes. ETA: It seems his injuries are much more serious than I had thought. Still opposing posting it if he survives, but my thoughts are with him and his family. Tlhslobus, please consider retracting your needlessly inflammatory postscript to your nomination. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Tentative Support - depending on how serious the wounding is; but after several hours of surgery, it looks bad. Not sure the logic that this assassination attempt would be a footnote, for a such a traumatic attack on a very prominent author; this goes well beyond book-burnings. Nfitz (talk) 21:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• The injuries are indeed very serious, and life altering - no longer tentative. Nfitz (talk) 03:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment Amended slightly given there is an article on this specific event Abcmaxx (talk) 21:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support per Nfitz XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Weak support: would we post (hypothetically) an assassination attempt of Trump, Bin Laden (yes I know he is deceased), Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Cristiano Ronaldo, a current head of state, the current Pope, the previous Pope? I think we might do (God forbid) in all those cases. Rushdie is a worldwide figure and had a sizable part of the global population trying to kill him for a long time, that in itself is unprecedented. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Every single person you noted is more significant. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• This isnt even the most important story in NY today (like not a single NY paper/TV station outside of upstate NY itself is leading with this afaict). But Im a woke moslem (who somehow doesnt think Salman Rushdie should die so I guess Im pretty terrible at being both) so discount this plz. If he dies definitely merits a blurb even if he died naturally in his sleep, which one hopes he will do many many years from now. nableezy - 22:01, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It definitely is in the UK though, throughout all the media.Abcmaxx (talk) 22:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Id forgotten we were on Her Majesty's sovereign property at ITN, silly me. nableezy - 22:45, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support blurb if Rushdie dies. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:17, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Wait – Widely covered; developing. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose Agree this meets significance for a blurb if he dies. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose for now per GCG and above. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment Are people really not going to comment on the needlessly inflammatory rhetoric the nominator used? If someone submitted a nomination with most of their submission comment focusing on the strawmen of supposedly "many" Jewish, black, or even atheistic users opposing or supporting one action and how it's emblematic of everything wrong with society, people would rightfully condemn it as biased or WP:SOAP. But for some reason, most people are just shrugging their shoulders here and ignoring this. This should be considered unacceptable discourse, even if the nomination itself is sound. 2600:8802:2718:6700:F556:1D60:9C0C:DAFF (talk) 00:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I agree, Tlhslobus's comments are way beyond the par. I suggest making an ANI report, this is outrageous. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Ahem, I think you'll find I did. I was hoping the OP might self-revert. Since they haven't, I'm going to redact it myself. Black Kite (talk) 00:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    See ALT1 blurb. -- Sca (talk) 00:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• An Islamicist is a scholar of Islam. See Islamicist. You mean Islamists, though even that I dont think is accurate for widely decried. Maybe Islamic fundamentalists? nableezy - 01:57, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose If he dies (G** forbid) I would switch to a support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support I don't see what the issue here is with posting this. The event is clearly in mainstream news and significant in that a controversy running for well over thirty-years now has come to a head with extremists actually succeeding in finally attacking the author. Either the author's or the controversy's article can be linked, both of which appear to be fleshed out (unless the stub improves). Gotitbro (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support. A perfectly healthy man just walked onto a stage and is now on a ventilator and unable to speak. His liver is damaged and he is set to lose at least one eye. That perfectly healthy man also happens to be a public figure with sustained international recognition/notoriety/controversy/whatever you want to call it, spanning, at this stage, many decades. Now, according to the above, it depends on "if he dies"? Where are the criteria that state a person has to be killed? Would the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II be passed over if it happened today because he survived? (Probably not, because it's the Pope.) But why death? Talk:2011 Tucson shooting shows that the attempted assassination of a representative of Arizona's 8th congressional district was posted...

It's an unprecedented attack, on a scale usually reserved for politicians. It's not as if someone just walked up and kicked him... Three continents (and three countries with significant populations, where the English language is widely spoken) are linked to the individual concerned: India (population 1,407,563,842), U.S. (population 331,893,745) and UK (population 67,326,569). Even his knighthood has its own article. It wouldn't/couldn't set any precedent to post the average "local diarist/national bestseller has argument/gets beaten up" story. This is not the sort of event that happens every day. To get away from the US v UK dispute, it's headline news in Australia, Ireland, Saudi Arabia, France... and Iran, naturally.

To conclude, this tweet by Kylie Moore-Gilbert that I noticed on the website of a newspaper sums up the scale of the event: "More than 30 years and a $3million bounty later, Khomeini's poisonous fatwa has finally caught up with Salman Rushdie." (I am not familiar with her but I found it hard to disagree with that line). --Gaois (talk) 04:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Novelist Salman Rushdie, subject of The Satanic Verses controversy, is stabbed multiple times at a public talk event at the Chautauqua Institution in New York.

Suggesting a more neutral wording that links to the history (if the attack article is not expanded). He didn't lose an eye or sustain damage to his liver from being "stabbed in the neck" as is stated above: "stabbed multiple times" is the current phrasing from the opening sentence of the attack article. --Gaois (talk) 05:15, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Friendly reminder Don't forget that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a news portal. So something that has significant international journalistic coverage doesn’t mean that it’s directly ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  The novel obviously is of considerable scholarly interest (elevating a little known apocryphal event) to the mainstream, the controversy around it further generated significant debate on cultural issues and art in both the Muslim and Western worlds which has ultimately manifested in violence on the author. This is a clear case of an encyclopedic event. Gotitbro (talk) 15:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support, reasoning and wording per Gaois - the location is less important than the reason behind it. I have no words for the distinction "If he dies ...". I put his name on my talk, quoting a DYK from April 2020, "about free imagination in battle with thought control" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support highly notable. An attempted assassination of a public figure who was the subject of the biggest literary controversy in the last 50 years, and front-page news around the world. AryKun (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support. This isn't a simple attack, given his history and the general threat to his life. His agent says he will lose an eye and the nerves in his arm were severed. [1] 331dot (talk) 07:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support. It’s a relevant event. He’s a worldwide known figure. RodRabelo7 (talk) 08:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support. The latest chapter in a decadeslong saga of great relevance to the arts, a topic area ITN often neglects. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 08:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support Relevant event getting worldwide coverage and it is definitely a rare event. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support This event has a political dimension, because of the Fatwa. Grimes2 (talk) 10:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Strong support Notable political/culture wars event Bumbubookworm (talk) 10:53, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Posted - Used a more compact blurb as both of the ones here have issues in terms of accuracy and wording. Edits/suggestions to WP:ERRORS. - Fuzheado | Talk 11:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• (ec) Support Serious attack getting widespread coverage. I don't see why an assassination attempt has to be successful to be posted. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:20, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support widely covered event with long term significance.Polyamorph (talk) 11:39, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Post-posting comment from a former opposer - Good call. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Post-posting comment – Article (460 words) seems rather thin. 'Reactions' section fails to include reactions in Iran, where the fatwa originated, and where praise for the attack was expressed. [2] [3] [4] – Sca (talk) 12:44, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Good job it's not the bolded article then :) Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  But it's the most relevant article about the attack. -- Sca (talk) 13:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  And the bolded article barely mentions it. Because of the sudden change in the tides on this nom, there was barely any discussion of quality. This was a failure of our process. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:11, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment It seems mildly awkward to add "in the United States". I'd suggest removing that, our readers are certain to know what country New York is in. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 14:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I've removed the location from the blurb, as it is not really relevant to the importance of the event, and the blurb is quite long. Sandstein 15:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    WHAT??? The location may not be relevant to Mr. Rushdie's long standoff with the Iranian Islamic fundamentalists, but it certainly is relevant to this news event. Remember the five Ws? And let me remind you that this main page fixture is called In the News (aka In den Nachrichten).
    -- Sca (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Yeah, @Sandstein:, I agree with Sca here... I don't think removing the location the stabbing happened is a good solution. It is relevant. Especially since stabbings in the US are uncommon. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• We Want Where! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment – The current blurb's ending "in the United States" seems OK. We don't really need "in Chautauqua, N.Y., U.S.A." – such clunky specificity isn't really relevant. As long as we give some indication of WHERE, das genügt. Und schönen Tag Abend noch. – Sca (talk) 23:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Change bolding to Stabbing of Salman Rushdie. Article is now more developed, and reflects the main reason for the blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 01:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Changed by Schwede66—Bagumba (talk) 09:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• I think the appositive "author of The Satanic Verses" in this blurb is inappropriate. If it is intended to identify Rushdie's literary career, it makes it sound as if TSV is his primary literary contribution, which is not true; he has written many novels and it minimizes his career to reduce him to a book he wrote over 30 years ago and does not even consider his most significant work. If it is intended to identify the cause of the attack, this too is inappropriate as we don't have any definitive information about the motive yet. Moreover there is sinister subtext that his writing the book somehow caused the attack, which is the apogee of victim-blaming--the responsibility for perpetrating such acts of senseless violence begins entirely with the extremists and their ideology, an author cannot predict or be held responsible if some people decide to use violence just because they don't like a work of fiction. 156.111.111.70 (talk) 18:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Yeah I agree. Many ITN blurbs are overly wordy, as it is. Omit needless words. --47.147.118.55 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  All reports and commentary surrounding the attack focus on the book, mentioning it is neither inapt nor taking up space especially when the controversy is considered in this context. Gotitbro (talk) 10:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment His honorific 'Sir' title is missing from the blurb. ♦ jaguar 20:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  WP:ERRORS is the place for this kind of issue, but I don't think WP:HONORIFICS backs you up. You decide. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment – In Monday coverage, Iran says it was Mr. Rushdie's own fault. [5] [6] [7] – Sca (talk) 12:17, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anne Heche[]

Nominator's comments: Just confirmed --Vacant0 (talk) 17:53, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Compulsory article needs updating and minor clean-up comment, but it has had some work over the last week so shouldn't take long. Kingsif (talk) 18:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  We're still adding sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support: Article looks good and more work is being done to it. Very sad news. Very talented actress. Rest in peace. --SitcomyFan (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• It appears that this nomination is premature. UK sources reported her death because there, brain death = legal death. But that's not the case in the US. It seems that she's still being kept alive for organ donation. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Reports are saying brain death = death in California so she meets the medicolegal definition of dead. That said, I say we wait until either a death certificate is produced, a medical examiner/coroner reports her death, or she's taken off "life support". EvergreenFir (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• @Muboshgu: Am I reading the reports wrong? Her friends and family have confirmed death, the Guardian (very careful with their sources as a newspaper) followed up with California law (not British), and said life support was removed. Is it perhaps people who have done their own OR at the talk page and are asserting that they don't think brain death should be considered dead who have made you reconsider this? Kingsif (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Honestly, I'm confused. The Guardian says On Friday afternoon TMZ had reported Heche was “brain dead”, which under California law is the definition of death. It was announced earlier in the day Heche would be taken off of life support. I see no indication that she has been taken off of life support. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:14, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Yes, so, brain dead, body alive. Does that meet ITN RD requirements or do we wait for her to be taken off of life support? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ – Muboshgu (talk) 19:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I mean, the family seem to be saying dead, California would agree, but it can't hurt to wait. I'd contribute at the talk page if it wasn't ridiculous at this point, kudos to EvergreenFir for trying to control all those, er, discussions. FWIW, I also imagine the time difference may be confusing the Guardian writer based on that "earlier in the day" part. Guess you have time to source her awards anyway. Kingsif (talk) 19:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support - A tragic case. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Confirmed that she is now dead after being taken off life support (Rolling Stone) via her agents. --Masem (t) 20:25, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Her rep told Variety that she is still on life support and may be so until as late as Tuesday.[8] Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment the article is not yet ready to post, so the semantic and distasteful debate above and elsewhere is beside the point. This will resolve itself shortly. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support per above, tragic news XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Oppose of course. Awards section is completely unreferenced. Shocked to see so many others supporting posting this BLP with clear violations. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 00:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  As with Dame Olivia, most of these ors are new to ITN and I will AGF are not familiar with our protocols. I trust our admins will maintain their standard discretion. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:22, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I mean, there were three supports, from seemingly unfamiliar ors. Not many, nor shocking. Perhaps a reply to them will be more encouraging for future participation than a critical aside is. Kingsif (talk) 12:18, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Not disputing your argument but it's not a BLP Polyamorph (talk) 07:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  BLP still applies to the recently deceased. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:57, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Ah, okay! Thanks Polyamorph (talk) 14:30, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment - a quick look through the article indicates it's now almost fully sourced, apart from three single awards - unless I'm missing something else that needs sourcing? Would be glad to add these refs myself but article is protected to extended users only which I haven't yet reached. If that protection can be rolled back a bit, I'm glad to do some sourcing on it - or can assist those who want to if they like. I've sourced quite a few ITN articles now. Anyway, it looks to be just three awards missing citations, but I did just scan through it quickly. --SitcomyFan (talk) 13:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Feel free to find sourcing for the three missing citations and either place them here or on the article’s talk page. I’ll gladly add them. Thriley (talk) 16:10, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Saturn Award nom for Psycho:

  Apple - https://tv.apple.com/nz/person/anne-heche/umc.cpc.7ityj3yk8bsnp7hgvhwk3d72b

  Entertainment Weekly - https://ew.com/movies/anne-heche-most-memorable-roles/

  Let me know if those ones are good enough (the EW one should be fine, not so sure about the Apple one). Still looking for the other two. Thanks. SitcomyFan (talk) 16:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  EW is a good source. I added it. Thank you for doing the digging! Thriley (talk) 16:56, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Much harder to source the Fangoria and Blockbuster ones. So far, the best one I've found is a photo of her attending the Blockbuster ones when she was nominated but it doesn't specify that in text under the photo - https://www.upi.com/News_Photos/view/upi/33584110e41f3ff6b427fe30f22ed80e/Blockbuster-Entertainment-Awards/ There is an event page for both ceremonies on IMDB as well, I know IMDB isn't usually allowed but unless the photo of her attending the awards along with that is proof enough. Might keep digging later but those two seem to be hard to source. I suppose they could aways be removed from the article if necessary if we can't find sources? SitcomyFan (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  They are pretty inconsequential awards anyway. Let’s see if anyone else can find anything. I agree that they should be removed if it is going to prevent the article from being posted to RD. Thriley (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Digging deep, another mention of her attending those Blockbuster Awards (along with picture) in first article, but it doesn't mention the nomination itself. https://web.archive.org/web/20150620091051/http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/star-studded-excitement-of-fifth-annual-blockbuster-entertainment-awardsr-featured-at-wwwblockbustercom-74842112.html

Edit - think I found one though I'm outside US so can only access the cached version. Perhaps you can check it? It seems her name is listed as a nominee.

Direct link - http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/458705/the-5th-annual-blockbuster-entertainment-awards/

Cached link - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6GGDrlNi8tsJ:www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/458705/the-5th-annual-blockbuster-entertainment-awards/&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie SitcomyFan (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, that website can be seen at https://web.archive.org/web/20220126120234/http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/458705/the-5th-annual-blockbuster-entertainment-awards/#crs . She appeared as a "performer" , not nominee (crs section). I don't know if it is a valid source. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think all the nominees are listed as performers. SitcomyFan (talk) 23:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support Surprised it wasn't up there. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 22:48, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• The article is good enough. There's a few awards that are uncited. I can't find sources for them. But, ITN postings don't have to be "perfect". This isn't a GA review. WP:ITN says in part Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable. I don't think anyone is going to say a "Blockbuster Award" is contentious. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:46, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Posted. BTW, I have removed two mentions of "posthumous release" from the Filmography tables, as the sources are dated before her death. Please restore that when newer RS is available. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 00:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

August 11[]

(Posted) RD: Jean-Jacques Sempé[]

Nominator's comments: Perhaps the most prominent French drawing artist (Le Petit Nicolas, covers of The New Yorker), recognizable without seeing the signature. Article was decent, but surprisingly short for such a giant. The works are all in his French National Library entry, which could easily be added as a ref if needed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment Added source for nomination. I just did some ing on the page and it looks like just about everything except the bibliography section has a source.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  As just above: the bibliography is sourced to the French National Library, which is linked in authority control. Do we have to duplicate it, that was the question? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I added that ref now. Rubbing my eyes that a person with the highest interest figure two days ago isn't noticed here. I'm used to that for obscure actors and composers but he was so visible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:01, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Long enough (almost 600 words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots, and formatting looking fine, and with no troubles found by Earwig, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Support Good enough. Grimes2 (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Posted. El_C 20:22, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Paul Green[]

Nominator's comments: Rugby League player and coach from Queensland, Australia. Died unexpectedly at the age of 49. HiLo48 (talk) 04:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Quite a few unsourced claims. Happy to support if these are fixed. Anarchyte (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Too many unsourced paragraphs. Please add more REFs! --PFHLai (talk) 03:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Bill Russell's number retired[]

August 10[]

(Posted) RD: Corky Palmer[]