Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for ors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Pervez Musharraf in 2008
Pervez Musharraf

How to nominate an item[]

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  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
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    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
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    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting ors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...[]

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage.
  3. Point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit.

Please do not...[]

  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
  3. Accuse other ors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
  6. Use the discussion section of an item as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome of a nomination and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates[]

A posted ITNC item that needs correcting can be addressed in two ways:

  • For simple updates, such as updated death tolls in a disaster, linking issues, spelling or grammar corrections, or otherwise anything that does not change the intent of the blurb should be discussed at WP:ERRORS in the ITN section.
  • For more complex updates that involve a major change in the blurb's intent, that should be discussed as part of the current ITNC nomination.
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(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb:Pervez Musharraf[]

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Pervez Musharraf
Article: Pervez Musharraf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf (pictured) dies at the age of 79. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NYT
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 The ⬡ Bestagon T/C 07:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment - I think we need to figure this out. Are deaths of former heads of state ITN/R? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We had this same discussion when Constantine II died, and I don't think we reached a consensus PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment: Add exile in Dubai to the blurb? Only a suggestion.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Death blurbs don't usually include location, I think. Juxlos (talk) 09:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I was unaware that Inoki had become president of Japan through a coup d'état and was subsequently sentenced to death for treason. How could I not know that! _-_Alsor (talk) 12:33, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 4[]

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RD: Jürgen Flimm[]

Article: Jürgen Flimm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Merkur and many others, including Die Zeit but I have no access.
Crs:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Theatre and opera director and manager, loved by the audience, Salzburg Festival and Berlin State Opera. The 2004 article was almost ref-free and quite close to what the Berlin opera had about him. Many good obits, with more detail possible if you have time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Vani Jairam[]

Article: Vani Jairam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rediff, The Times of India
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Singer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Sherif Ismail[]

Article: Sherif Ismail (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP, MSN
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Egyptian prime minister. - Indefensible (talk) 20:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - looks good. Well cited. Crusader1096 (talk) 22:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

São Paulo scuttled[]

Proposed image
The carrier in 2013
Article: Brazilian aircraft carrier São Paulo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The Brazilian aircraft carrier São Paulo is scuttled in the Atlantic after ports refused to accept the hazard of scrapping it (Post)
News source(s): CBC; Reuters; Al Jazeera; Guardian; NYT
Crs:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The sinking of a capital ship of 32,000 tons is significant and the pollution aspect adds to this. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - ITN worth, plus we posted the sinking of the HTMS Sukhothai a month and a half ago. Crusader1096 (talk) 19:30, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We posted Sukhothai due to the death toll, no one died here, just a routine decomissioning of a ship. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This wasn't routine. It was towed around at sea for months, desperately trying to find a scrapyard that would take it. The scuttling was then a last resort to avoid it sinking in an even worse place. The prolonged agony was in the news and now we have the climax. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - Ship decomissioned, not really a big deal. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I really want you to explain why this is significant, because I'm just not seeing it.--WaltClipper -(talk) 21:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose How is an aircraft carrier ITN-worthy? Evan224 (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are numerous situations in which "an aircraft carrier" can be ITN-worthy. Curbon7 (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed as duplicate; see below) 2023 China balloon incident[]

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Proposed image
Article: 2023 China balloon incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The Pentagon (pictured) alleges that two Chinese surveillance balloons have violated the airspace of the United States, Canada and countries in Latin America. (Post)
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RD: Paco Rabanne[]

Article: Paco Rabanne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs some cleanup and sourcing work Mooonswimmer 20:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have removed that paragraph. I don't think it adds anything interesting or relevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) The balloons go up[]

Video of the first balloon falling
Article: 2023 Chinese balloon incursions (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A suspicious balloon is tracked across North America (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​A suspicious Chinese balloon is tracked across North America and a second balloon is detected in South America
Alternative blurb II: The Pentagon alleges that two Chinese surveillance balloons have violated the airspace of the United States, Canada and countries in Latin America.
Alternative blurb III: ​A suspected Chinese spy balloon that was flying across Canada and the United States is shot down by US aircraft
Alternative blurb IV: ​A balloon originating from China suspected of surveillance and espionage is shot down over the coast of South Carolina, causing a diplomatic crisis.
Alternative blurb V: ​A Chinese surveillance balloon is shot down after overflying Canada and the United States.
News source(s): BBC; CNN; NYT;
Crs:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We like shooting things down but President Biden has been advised not to do this. No-one is quite sure what it is so possibilities include arson, intelligence; invasion; research; rover, weather and moreAndrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Weak support - Mainly supporting this due to the extensive news coverage it has been getting, but at the same time I do think a lot of this has been sensationalised, and I have a feeling this will have no significant impact, and everyone will forget about it in a week's time. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Altblurb II seems to be the most well-written. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support: This is a major diplomatic incident in geopolitics as China and the United States are one of the most powerful countries in the world and any incursion by one onto the other's territory is ITN. If we add Chinese incursions into Kashmir to ITN, we should add this as well. I also support a mix of Altblurbs II and III. Djprasadian (talk) 23:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support It’s been shot down, there’s 2, the Chinese government is denying it which usually means that they did do it and are hiding it. Vriend1917 (talk) 23:38, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support What are we waiting for? This is dominating the headlines everywhere, it's better that we post this global ongoing event instead of waiting around for nothing. Evan224 (talk) 01:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment you guys need to figure this out soon. 🍁🏳️‍🌈 DinoSoupCanada 🏳️‍🌈 🍁 (talk) 13:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A captured Fu-Go balloon in California
  • The image (right) is mainly a placeholder as I expect we'll get a free image as and when it gets near a Wikipedian. But also, as an encyclopedia, we have lots of material about historical precedents and it's good to air it on such occasions. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The duplicate nomination suggested a picture of the Pentagon briefing, so we might try that. The article has a picture of the actual balloon but that's fair-use and fuzzy and so not adequate for ITN, yet. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I love that argument and I agree that it would be great. I am worried about lots of implications in comparing this incident with Emperial Japan sending a balloon to the US in the middle of a war. We shouldn't suggest the two incidents are equivalent, I believe. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:56, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • A cold war is not comparable to a war with a lot of active fighting. This doesn't at all diminish the notability of an incident like this, but comparing espionage with direct attacks can create undue fear. This balloon is not going to drop bombs. The U2 incident might be a better comparison, but that would feel like an even odder image to include. Unless we had a tradition of linking news items back to past events, which would've been nice maybe... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:33, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It appears that the US is working on its own balloons too. Apparently these are to counter hypersonic weapons -- who knew? The plot thickens... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    My personal opinion is that everyone should come together with these balloons and throw a party PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • And it's interesting to read that "Back then, Eisenhower tried to minimize it at first, ordering the NASA press office, stunningly, to say the U-2 had been conducting “weather research,” and that Powers might just have strayed a trifle off course and wandered over top-secret Soviet military facilities..." History repeats! Andrew🐉(talk) 17:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is only barely comparable to the U-2 incident and it’s silly to argue that comparison. A spy plane pilot getting shot down and held as a POW is worlds apart from a spy balloon being spotted.
If anything, this is just a slightly escalated version of an average spy satellite. The Kip (talk) 19:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's currently the top read story on the BBC and is apparently all over Chinese social media too. For a European connection which you may appreciate see a favourite song of mine: "The President is on the line..." Andrew🐉(talk) 10:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I guess you may have noticed by now that not every "top read story on the BBC" is ITNR-worthy, as this is not a news paper. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Of course this is a newspaper. The offical signaling from the Pentagon makes it clear this is sn important story. I do think we need a closer awareness of journalistic practice on Wikipedia. No Swan So Fine (talk) 12:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not WP:NOTNP. Btw, the Department of Defense statement reads: "Ryder said the balloon is well above commercial air traffic and doesn't pose a threat to civil aviation. He also said this isn't the first time such a balloon has been seen over the United States", and "Currently, we assess that this balloon has limited additive value from an intelligence collective collection perspective," the official said. "But we are taking steps, nevertheless, to protect against foreign intelligence collection of sensitive information."
Another case of American overdramatization for everything. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also don't understand the purpose of including a photo of a Fu-Go balloon bomb when the purpose of the "suspicious balloon" has not even been confirmed. Let's not alarm. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - official signaling from the Pentagon is probably indicative of this story's noteworthiness. Crusader1096 (talk) 12:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Additionally, it has been confirmed that the Biden administration is moving to down the balloon. Crusader1096 (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Update: plane was shot down by US aircraft. @Rockstone35 @Alsoriano97 @Modest Genius @Thebiguglyalien @Vriend1917 @Jayron32 @Editor 5426387 @GenevieveDEon @WaltCip @Rsrikanth05 @Masem @The Kip y'all may want to reconsider. Crusader1096 (talk) 19:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
so…? _-_Alsor (talk) 19:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The the highly publicized downing of a balloon, regardless if it was Chinese or not, under a coordinated military operation is unprecedented and I firmly believe that arguing that that this isn't newsworthy is rather foolish. Crusader1096 (talk) 22:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If a war breaks out, perhaps then. -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is that the threshold for posting to ITN now? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 13:45, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I never said that but this isn't a U-2 being shot down is it? -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Disappointed I wasn't @'ed
Regardless, there's still a balloon over South America, and the diplomatic crisis isn't over. But yeah this does start to hurt the notability, we better reach a consensus quick before the story becomes stale. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Still Oppose - even if it got shot down, the news is not ITN-worthy unless something MAJOR results, like a war, per above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:50, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*Oppose The story is "An balloon of unknown origin is being tracked". The article text says the same thing, but with a lot more words. There's not enough about this story to support a blurb if we don't have anything worthwhile to say. --Jayron32 14:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support the article has developed to where it is good enough to appear on the main page. --Jayron32 18:37, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support: Alt-blurb III is the most well-written, obviously a big news event. I'm not sure the relevance of some of the arguments against, this is a big news story according to a wide variety of Western news outlets.Yeoutie (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh cool, an unmanned spy balloon got spotted then shot down, causing a comparatively small diplomatic spat of a similar level to Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan, which wasn’t posted. Totally ITNR-worthy. The Kip (talk)

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RD: Paul A. David[]

Article: Paul A. David (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WSJ
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American economist. Death announced in WP:RS on this date. I will work this article over the weekend if no one gets to it before me. Ktin (talk) 04:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The article needs a lot of work. Looking forward to checking it out again after your work, Ktin. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Glória Maria[]

Article: Glória Maria (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): G1 globo
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian television personality. Quite close, only some source work is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 23:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: John Zizioulas[]

Article: John Zizioulas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Othodoxia News Agency
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Greek orthodox theologian and bishop. Source work is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 23:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Jean-Pierre Jabouille[]

Article: Jean-Pierre Jabouille (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Crs:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Formula One racing driver. His engineering expertise helped bring the turbo engine into Formula One with Renault. Two Grand Prix victories. Article needs work though... Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: K. Viswanath[]

Article: K. Viswanath (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, Indian Express,
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Indian director and recipient of highest Indian cinematic honours. Article looks to be in decent shape. ƬheStrikeΣagle 22:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support. Looks thoroughly cited. Comprehensive details on his career. One messy line at the end of the "Television" section, hopefully someone will fix that soonish. Tbh, he probably needs a separate filmography page but that's not relevant to RD. e.b. (talk) 20:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Looks important enough for me. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Importance does not matter at all for RD. Curbon7 (talk) 01:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support. Article looks good. Thanks, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 03:17, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Lanny Poffo[]

Article: Lanny Poffo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer - Figure Four Online, WWE
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wrestler and brother of the Macho Man. Article needs ref work. The Kip (talk) 21:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard Woolcott[]

Article: Richard Woolcott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Canberra Times
Crs:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article not too good, but at least it is (now) fully referenced Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:11, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Good condition, ready to be posted. Vriend1917 (talk) 21:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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RD: Carin Goldberg[]

Article: Carin Goldberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American graphic designer. Death announced 1 February. Thriley (talk) 06:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Tom Brady retires (again)[]

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Proposed image
Article: Tom Brady (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Tom Brady (pictured), retires from American football. (Post)
News source(s): Tom Brady's Instagram
Crs:
Nominator's comments: 2nd time now. Can he beat Favre? Cheers. WimePocy 14:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. I'm sure this will be the last time. He said so, for real this time.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • By the way, feel free to add more sources as they come in. Cheers. WimePocy 14:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Fool me once... We don'tshouldn't post athlete retirements for this exact reason. Curbon7 (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose thus demonstrating the follies of posting sports retirements. --Masem (t) 14:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for the same reason Brady’s retirement was opposed last time. Retirements often aren’t. Status Quo did their farewell tour in 1984. Humbledaisy (talk) 14:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose (again) :D --Tone 14:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, though I suppose it might start to get notable if he does it about ten times. Black Kite (talk) 14:51, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support As it is obviously for real this time. We do in fact post sports retirements as we have previously posted Alex Ferguson and Sachin Tendulkar. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    As I've said before, as soon as Lionel Messi announces his retirement, WP:ITN will bend over backwards to make sure he's given the picture blurb treatment within hours of the announcement, because "association football is a different beast". WaltClipper -(talk) 15:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I agree with WaltCip here. Not that I support (or oppose; I know nothing about American football) this nomination, but oppose !votes that oppose "because we don't post retirements" will most probably support Messi's or Ronaldo's "because they're legendary GOATs of the game." The ⬡ Bestagon T/C 15:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm consistent. When it comes that time, I will still oppose. Curbon7 (talk) 15:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Ditto. The only retirement I can remember supporting was Benedict XVI's which was a little different. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You know, just because you screw something up once, doesn't mean you're required to screw it up forever. "We did this before so we must do it every time" is a bad rationale for that reason. --Jayron32 15:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I don't believe we did "screw up" but you are of course entitled to that opinion. I wanted to correct the assertions above that "we don't do it" in case anyone was misled.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not the sort of stories we should post in the ITN section. Amounts to inconsequential celebrity gossip. --Jayron32 15:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - he already retired once ... he could come out of retirement again. Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:28, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. We don't post retirements for a lot of reasons. Case in point. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose just no, just no, we all know he'll probably come back. he ain't fooling me again. TomMasterRealTALK 16:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose even as someone who adamantly believes that sports retirements are ITN worthy. I think we made a mistake not posting this last time, un-retirement or not, but per the above "fool me once..." comments, I'm not inclined to believe this one lasts and therefore am not going to die on the hill of a "support" here. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose How can we make sure that this time is for real NW1223<Howl at meMy hunts> 16:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Sports retirements are ITN-worthy IMO, but a) Brady has "retired" before, and b) the source given doesn't really prove significance. DecafPotato (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - Per all above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further s should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF)[]

Proposed image
Article: C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A green comet (pictured) makes its closest approach to the Earth. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (pictured) makes its closest approach to Earth
Alternative blurb II: ​Green comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (pictured) makes its closest approach to the Earth.
News source(s): Guardian; Independent; NYT;BBC;Al Jazeera
Crs:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: It was previously suggested that this should appear at the time of closest approach and that's now. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • The previous nomination was not closed; it just scrolled off after there were lots of !votes of "Wait". So, we've waited. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Astronomical items are not required to be ITN/R in order to be newsworthy or ITN-worthy, otherwise nothing would ever get posted except for great comets. It would make for a rather limited pool of science stories. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:18, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @WaltCip: I agree that items don't have to be on ITNR to be posted. I was disagreeing with the 'intr=yes' parameter that was set in the nomination template. Modest Genius talk 17:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The previous one had a number of people preferring this to be posted on Feb 1, which is today. As one of those people, I strongly support posting immediately. The ⬡ Bestagon T/C 12:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Magnitude 5 is pretty bright. It should be visible in the outskirts of major cities, under moonless skies. Perhaps we should include some instructions for viewing in the blurb? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comets are not near-Earth asteroids, 0.28 AU isn't far if the comet releases enough gas and dust. A comet reached magnitude 3-4 in the 18th century and never even reached 3 AU from Earth or 4 AU from Sun. Halley's Comet would be 4.9 magnitudes brighter than this if both were 1 AU from Sun and observer was thought experimentally on the Sun (the standard apples-to-apples brightness comparison of solar system science because full asteroid is much brighter than thin crescent asteroid and comets obviously get dim very fast as they get further from the Sun (if they get very very close they sometimes even explode and "release all the brightness at once")). And Halley happens every c. 76 years. Hale-Bopp would be even brighter. The 1700s comet would be 13.4 magnitudes brighter. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - what is the significance of this comet? It has little cultural presence like Halley, etc. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 14:43, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As @PrecariousWorlds pointed out, we do have to diversify our blurbs a little bit. We haven't had a science-related story at ITN for quite some time now, and this one is receiving pretty good coverage, and the coverage is worldwide for those who love global significance, with sources in the West (CNN BBC) and the Arab World (Alarabiya) reporting on it. The Independent are also covering it live on their website. The ⬡ Bestagon T/C 15:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Alright, I guess that's cool. But I do think the blurb needs to do more to establish that this is notable and not just a "diversity candidate" (to appropriate phrasing from the (un)professional world). QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not just about being a diversity candidate, it's about providing interesting stories that viewers of Wikipedia want to read, apart from Depressing Tragedy no. 352. I think astronomical events like these should be ITN:R, as they are In The News. I think we should also post major infrastructure projects as well. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Bestagon PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, Posting immediately - per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
0.28 AU isn't far if the comet is bright. A comet reached magnitude 3-4 in the 18th century and never even reached 3 AU from Earth or 4 AU from Sun. Halley's Comet would be 4.9 magnitudes brighter than this if both were 1 AU from Sun and observer was thought experimentally on the Sun (the standard apples-to-apples brightness comparison of solar system science because full asteroid is much brighter than thin crescent asteroid and comets obviously get dim very fast as they get further from the Sun (if they get very very close they sometimes even explode and "release all the brightness at once")). And Halley happens every c. 76 years. Hale-Bopp would be even brighter. The 1700s comet would be 13.4 magnitudes brighter. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC
Switched to Alt II per multiple requests. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I voiced support for alt2, but prefer User:Ravenpuff's newer version: "C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (pictured), a comet with a green coma, makes its closest approach to the Earth".
It's nice, and the linked term "coma" will certainly stimulate curiosity in our readers, which is what ITN does at its best. I'd be grateful if ors who already posted here would voice support or opposition to Ravenpuff's version. DFlhb (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Concur. Curbon7 (talk) 19:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I support this version, for the record. It sounds much more scientific and interesting. Though it is not entirely clear to me why this event has found its way to the Main Page. There are approximately 10 long-period comets crossing the Earth's orbit every year. --TadejM my talk 19:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
They're usually dimmer. It's also been an unusually long time since the last great comet besides 2006 or 7 (I forgot) which was only naked eye at dusk to most North Hemisphere native English speakers for a few days and not at all after dusk (at least in my extreme light pollution). And I guess some might've also called the magnitude ~2.5 2007 or 2008 comet great, it was naked eye in extreme light pollution but not very impressive there especially if you're not into "faint fuzzy "star" with no naked eye tail". Hale-Bopp of 1997 was the last truly impressive non-twilight one. With that said 22 E3 or better comets seem to happen every few years at worst. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I Beg you to remove "green comet" from the top. It's a nonsensical moniker applied to it by media that knows nothing about astronomy- as commonly used as it is, it is meaningless at best and misleading at worst. Every comet that has ever graced the sky has been green- saying it's a green comet is like referring to space as "the black space" or the sky as "the blue sky". Sincerely, an actual astronomer. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 22:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is the gas ever greenish cyan/cyanish green? Would that still count as green? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This ^. We should change the blurb immediately. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here is what the comet astronomer Matthew Knight says about the comet's color: "The color of C/2022 E3 (ZTF) isn’t unique: Most comets that have higher gas contents tend to yield C2, so they “are generally going to look green to our eye,” Knight says. That said, only a subset of comets happen to make it as close to Earth as C/2022 E3 (ZTF) will get, so it’ll provide an uncommonly good view of a comet’s emerald hue."[1] --TadejM my talk 00:13, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Meteorologists refer to blue skies all the time. They are much prettier than white or grey skies. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

January 31[]

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Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports


(Posted) RD: Lalitha Chandran[]

Article: Bombay Sisters (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian carnatic singer. One half of the musical duo Bombay Sisters Ktin (talk) 04:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Angel Alcala[]

Article: Angel Alcala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Bulletin
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino biologist and national scientist. Curbon7 (talk) 17:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Durenberger[]

Article: David Durenberger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:47, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Shanti Bhushan ‎[]

Article: Shanti Bhushan ‎ (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bar and Bench,India Today
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Ex Minister and lawyer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

January 30[]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • British sports-fashion retailer JD Sports says that the stored data of 10 million customers "may have been accessed" in a cyberattack, including names, addresses, email addresses, phone numbers, order details, and the final four digits of debit card numbers. (BBC News)

Health and environment

International relations


RD: Bobby Beathard[]

Article: Bobby Beathard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Crs:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Could use some work. Pro Football Hall of Famer. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Charles Silverstein[]

Article: Charles Silverstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies (Twitter)
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The American psychologist who got homosexuality removed from the DSM. Curbon7 (talk) 18:17, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Ann McLaughlin Korologos[]

Article: Ann McLaughlin Korologos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WashPo
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former U.S. Secretary of Labor. Some source work is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 18:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Ouyang Pingkai[]

Article: Ouyang Pingkai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): qq
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chinese academic and party official. A bit short and over-reliant on one source. Curbon7 (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Will Steffen[]

Article: Will Steffen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Canberra Times
Crs:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Climate scientist. Article looks okay to me. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:26, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Cindy Williams[]

Article: Cindy Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She died on Jan 25, it was just reported today – Muboshgu (talk) 00:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Adams (drummer)[]

Article: John Adams (drummer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox8, Cleveland.com
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Known to many who follow American baseball and everyone in Cleveland, Ohio. Is a Good ArticleEvergreenFir (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Bobby Hull[]

Article: Bobby Hull (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A lot of work is needed sourcing-wise. Mooonswimmer 15:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) Peshawar mosque bombing[]

Article: 2023 Peshawar mosque bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A suicide blast in a mosque killed 59 people and more than 170 injured in Peshawar, Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A suicide blast in a mosque kills 59 people and injures more than 170 in Peshawar, Pakistan.
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera, DAWN
Crs:

 Ainty Painty (talk) 09:49, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support alt blurb. First blurb is not grammatical. Notable for sure, article quality is good as is. There are a couple things on the article that need citations, but the article is being actively ed so I assume these will be fixed by the time of posting. e.b. (talk) 17:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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