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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

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Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
April 30 1 1
May 9 1 1
May 15 1
June 15 1
June 17 1
June 21 3 1
June 28 1 1
July 5 2 1
July 6 1
July 12 1
July 14 2
July 15 1
July 16 1
July 17 1 1
July 21 2 1
July 22 1 1
July 24 1 1
July 25 2 2
July 26 3 1
July 27 8 5
July 28 6 3
July 29 5 4
July 30 5 2
July 31 5 4
August 1 6 5
August 2 5 3
August 3 6 5
August 4 10 8
August 5 13 10
August 6 5 3
August 7 9 4
August 8 7 4
August 9 9 4
August 10 12 11
August 11 7 4
August 12 10 4
August 13 5 3
August 14 11 3
August 15 12 1
August 16 4
Total 187 102
Last updated 11:51, 16 August 2022 UTC
Current time is 11:51, 16 August 2022 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[]

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Frequently asked questions[]

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

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If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

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Any or who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious orial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make s to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures[]

How to promote an accepted hook[]

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a Prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
1) Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: Symbol confirmed.svg Symbol voting keep.svg.
2) Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
a. Any outstanding issue following Symbol confirmed.svg Symbol voting keep.svg needs to be addressed before promoting.
3) Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
4) Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
5) Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
6) Hook should make sense grammatically.
7) Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
8) Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
1) For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
a. Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
2) Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
a. Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
b. Check that there's a bold link to the article.
3) If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
4) Copy and paste ALL the cr information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
5) Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
a. At the bottom under "Crs", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
6) Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources: To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]] To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]] To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]] To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]] To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]] To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]] To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook[]

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[]

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[]


Older nominations[]

Articles created/expanded on May 9[]

Articles created/expanded on May 15[]

Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article was created on May 15, and nominated on May 22, therefore new enough. Length is adequate. No plagiarism issues detected. QPQ has been done. The "Text and theme" section contains multiple quotes. As per WP:DYKCRIT, a citation needs to appear directly at the end of any sentence which includes a quote. The sentence which supports ALT0 needs a citation directly at the end. ALT0 is reasonably interesting. I am open to other hooks being proposed as per above. Flibirigit (talk) 16:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Flibirigit: Perhaps this can work? ALT1 ... that the hymn "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" is of a genre which aims to express the interests and ideas of young people better than traditional hymns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is a good hook about the genre, but not about this specific song. Sadly the title is too long for the translation "I praise my Lord who gets me out of the depths", in the sense of Psalm 130 (Out of the deep ...). I think "Glory to God on earth" - vs. the normal "Glory to God in the Highest" has some of the idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'll work more on a usage section, and hopefully find a better thing to say. Later today or tomorow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Will look for the changes. Flibirigit (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt:, please accept this courtesy reminder that no action has been made on this nomination during the week. Flibirigit (talk) 21:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. Sorry, terrible and happy events in real life. I looked further, and more sources stress the "on Earth" vs. "in the Highest" aspect. One newspaper describes it being sung on the Schlossplatz Stuttgart by the crowd gathered there of around 100.000, - that's probably more what you want. Should I add it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The additional source will only help the article. A song sung by 100,000 persons could be hooky. Do you have other changes, or is it okay to go ahead with ALT0? Flibirigit (talk) 16:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I added it, and a hook could be:
ALT2: ... that around 250,000 people joined singing the refrain of the 1979 Christian song "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" at an evening event of the 2015 Kirchentag in Stuttgart?Source - I don't know how to say that usually only one of five in such a group actually sings ;) - Thank you for providing the cites to the quotes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I like ALT2, it's better than the original hook at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg ALT0 is now properly cited and mentioned inline, and verified by the source since I can read German. ALT0 is tentatively approved! ALT1 is struck as per the comments above by Gerda. I cannot think of a better way to word ALT1, so I will move on without it. As for ALT2, I am curious about the choice of "around 100,000". The source says, "Der Platz ist nun vollständig gefüllt, 250.000 Menschen sollen da sein." This seems to me to say estimated 250,000 people. Flibirigit (talk) 22:03, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
you are right, I wrote from (bad) memory, changed --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol confirmed.svg ALT0 and ALT2 approved as per above review. Flibirigit (talk) 23:11, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 and Flibirigit: Gerda brings up a reasonable problem with ALT2 – we can't verify how many people sang, only how large the crowd was and that many in the crowd sang. I prefer it over ALT0, so can either of you think of a snappy way to remove that mislead? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/they) 11:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not sure what exact wording would work, but one idea could be to mention that 250,000 was the crowd, then mention that the crowd sung but without making the direct connection that 250,000 people sung? It's kind of hard to explain, but basically something like "there was a crowd of 250,000, and later that crowd sung (but it's unknown if all 250,000 sung)". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 26 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
One would have to assume that this is dead on arrival, but I'll throw it out there anyway:
Gerda, which details would you like to see put back in this hook? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (she/they) 01:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I believe the original is easier, and dislike the pipe, because those reading German will immediately see that it alludes to Psalm 130 - which might be another hook possibility, thinking of Yoninah.
ALT2b: ... that at an evening event of the 2015 Kirchentag, "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" was performed on three stages for a crowd of around 250,000, and many joined for the refrain? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I disagree with that sentiment. Most readers of the English Wikipedia, including those reading the main page, do not understand German. People seeing the long title would not even realize that it is referring to a Psalm at all unless they know the language, and I doubt most readers do. I still think ALT2a is a better option here: it flows better, it's straight to the point, and I think the 250,000-strong crowd is a strong hook fact in on if itself. As such, Symbol voting keep.svg I am approving ALT2a only; rest of the review per Flibirigit. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I disagree with ALT2a, sorry, because "help" seems not a good word to say about people just singing along. I don't have a better word than "join". - I also disagree with your evaluation. The other day, we had a double nom with an author and his song Selig, wem Christus auf dem Weg begegnet. More people clicked the song than the author, although he came first. I think a longish German title may raise curiosity, while "a 1979 Christian song" will not, promised. What do you think, tlc? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How about changing "helped sing" to simply "sung"? That way the context is "many in a crowd sang a song". It says that many sang the song, but it doesn't claim that all people in the song sang it (which was the concern raised about the earlier version). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Or how about, as a possible compromise, we could go with something like:
ALT2c ... that many in the 250,000-strong crowd sang the refrain of the Christian hymn Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt during the 2015 Kirchentag?
I'm still not sold on the full German song being mentioned here but if a promoter promoted this I wouldn't object. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol question.svg Why was ALT0 struck without comment or explanation? Flibirigit (talk) 14:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Flibirigit, ALT0 was struck when Narutolovehinata5 posted I am approving ALT2a only at 21:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC). Having just read ALT0 myself, I think it's better struck; a Christian hymn claiming something about God is just not interesting. Some variant of the ALT2x proposals should work. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg @Gerda Arendt:, how do you feel about ALT2c? Do you want to propose other hooks? Flibirigit (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Flibirigit: Gerda hasn't been responding to pings on her nominations over the last few days despite activity elsewhere. Would it be better to wait for her response or could the nomination move forward without her reply? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I returned from a funeral last night and have more important things to do than DYK fine-tuning, sorry. I believe that the mass singing is catchy, and don't mind you going that way, but I believe that "glory to God on earth" (vs. the normal "in the Highest") tells a lot more about the song (and is not just saying something about God). But again, popularity is also good to know about the song, and ALT2c works for me. It was sung in the last service I attended, and is often the choice for the Gloria when singing mass for a young audience. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg In ALT2c, the word "many" is not reflected in the prose of the "Use" section. Please note that a translation of the corresponding source is: "At the latest with the "Hallelujah" of the chorus, the whole Schlossplatz joins in." Flibirigit (talk) 15:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: Has the above been resolved? Z1720 (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why do you ping me? The hook without problems was the original - struck. Going for the sensational causes problems I can't solve. My experience with masses singing just is that perhaps a quarter sings, but that is no possible to source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: As the nominator, I wanted to give you the chance to resolve the concerns above and/or propose new ALTs and get this approved. I'm going to ping @Narutolovehinata5 and Flibirigit:, who might be able to propose an ALT hook for approval. Z1720 (talk) 21:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I based ALT2c on At the Kirchentag 2015 [de] in Stuttgart, the song was performed during an event called Abend der Begegnung (Evening of meeting) on the Schlossplatz with around 250,000 people attending; the song's verses were sung and played on three stages, and the crowd joined in the refrain. Originally, the proposal was to say the crowd itself sang the refrain, but Gerda said that not everyone in the crowd sang that part, hence the addition of "many". Either the prose has to be rephrased, or we may have to reword ALT2c further. As BlueMoonset said, the original hook is probably unsuitable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:39, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The article says: "... with around 250,000 people attending; the song's verses were sung and played on three stages, and the crowd joined in the refrain." It doesn't imply that each single person was singing. It doesn't have to be changed. I just can't say that short enough for a hook. Anybody? - None of the proposals above mentions "crowd" or some equivalent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 15[]


Sementara keadaan Kota Donggala yang demikian, diadakan pembagian daerah Sulawesi Tengah dengan beslit gubemur Sulawesi tanggal 25 Oktober 1951 No. 633 yang menyatakan bahwa Sulawesi Tengah dibagi menjadi dua kabupaten yakni Kabupaten Poso dengan ibu Kota Poso dan Kabupaten Palu dengan ibu kota Palu. Dengan keluarnya beslit itu menjadikan Kota Donggala semakin kurang kemungkinan untuk dikembangkan. Peristiwa ini mengundang banyak protes dan pertentangan antara penduduk Palu dan Donggala. Untuk memperbaiki hubungan penduduk kedua kota tersebut yang telah menjadi tegang, maka A.R. Pettalolo mengajukan mosi pada tanggal 14 Nopember 1951 kepada gubernur · Sulawesi. Dengan mosi itu, maka diputuskanlah bahwa Kabupaten Palu diganti menjadi Kabupaten Donggala . dengan ibu kotanya berkedudukan di Palu (p 29)

5x expanded by Nyanardsan (talk). Self-nominated at 14:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • ALT1:... that when Palu was chosen as the capital of Palu Regency in 1951, citizens of the nearby Donggala town protested as it was seen as limiting Donggala's development potential as an economic center? Comment: I'm okay with any proposed alts since I put a lot of effort into expanding this 5x, as long as it appears on the mainpage Nyanardsan (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • ALT1, by the way, is probably a bit long. Let me suggest a reword: Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 05:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1a: ... that the selection of Palu as capital of Palu Regency led to protests from the nearby town of Donggala, concerned they would lose out on economic development?
  • @SL93: I should have said "new enough and large enough expansion", which it is. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 01:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Clarification: The "district head" error was actually in another nom by the same nominator, which I have since rectified. --LordPeterII (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I see that this is still awaiting its copy- treatment, but just wanted to say that I like ALT1a. And given Nyanardsan's statement from before their enforced wikibreak (I'm okay with any proposed alts since I put a lot of effort into expanding this 5x, as long as it appears on the mainpage), I think we can assume ALT1a would be okay for them as well. --LordPeterII (talk) 15:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 17[]

Supply-side progressivism

Created by Ruthgrace (talk) and Qzekrom (talk). Nominated by Ruthgrace (talk) at 18:15, 20 June 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Other elements look good though. Recency check: author nominated the article on June 20, and it was moved to mainspace on June 16. Article is more than long enough. It has a good density of citations; I went through all the citations, and much of it is cited to opinion pieces, but that seems appropriate for the subject matter when framed appropriately (and I checked the framing). Hook is short enough. Topic is of interest to a broad audience. Dreamyshade (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just to say that I have tweaked the hook, replacing "it's" with "it has" for formal writing. BTW, Ruthgrace, you are still QPQ-exempt as it's your first nomination but thank you for tackling that. I'll look over your review to make sure that you haven't missed anything (DYK is a complex business, after all). Schwede66 02:44, 12 July 2022 (UTC) done; looks all good Schwede66 03:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have been struggling to think of an alt hook that is nearly as interesting as a DYK. Ruthgrace (talk) 04:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK how about this?
  • Alt 1 ... that supply-side progressives complain about how environmental regulations make it hard to build renewable energy plants, while oil and gas drilling are mostly exempt.
  • Thompson, Derek (2022-01-12). "A Simple Plan to Solve All of America's Problems". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
  • Yglesias, Matthew (November 2, 2021). "Energy innovation needs more than R&D". Slow Boring. Retrieved 2022-06-15.
  • Alt 2 ... that instead of conserving energy, supply-side progressives believe that we need an abundance of energy, especially clean energy, to continue human progress.
  • Yglesias, Matthew (October 7, 2021). "The case for more energy". Slow Boring. Retrieved 2022-06-03.
  • Pritzker, Rachel (December 12, 2014). "The Case for Energy Abundance". Stanford Social Innovation Review. Retrieved 2022-06-15.
Ruthgrace (talk) 01:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ruthgrace: I don't know how much this applies to DYKs, but I think it would be good to rewrite these in an encyclopedic tone. For example, first- and second-person pronouns like "we" should be avoided: "supply-side progressives believe that we need an abundance of energy, especially clean energy, to continue human progress" → "supply-side progressives believe that abundant, clean energy is important for continued human progress". Similarly, the first alt could be reworded to avoid "complain about how".
Also, when describing a point of view, it's important to be specific about who is expressing that point of view. Claims like "supply-side progressives believe X" are vague. Which individuals believe X, and are they really supply-side progressives or not?
Here are some example hooks that fit the encyclopedic mold better IMO (we can use more interesting ones):
Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 13:22, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good point. Is this any better?
  • ALT 1.1: ... that supply-side progressives call attention to the fact that environmental regulations make it hard to build renewable energy plants, while oil and gas drilling are mostly exempt?
  • Thompson, Derek (2022-01-12). "A Simple Plan to Solve All of America's Problems". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2022-05-27.
  • Yglesias, Matthew (November 2, 2021). "Energy innovation needs more than R&D". Slow Boring. Retrieved 2022-06-15.
Ruthgrace (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 21[]

Julie Ngungwa

Julie Ngungwa at UN ceremony
Julie Ngungwa at UN ceremony

** ALT1: ... that the new governor of the province of Tangayika, Julie Ngungwa (pictured), was ceremonially given the keys by Bintou Keita, the head of the United Nations stabilisation force? Source: The source is a photo but the United Nations is a crable source.

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 09:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

amazed. The hook has failed to communicate. Imagine if England had been occupied by a UN force of 1000s from a dozen countries including troops and police for years and years - and the UN Deputy General's rep had turned up to say that were withdrawing in the hope that the 100s of people killed in regular massacres might be ending, but they would be in nearby Scotland if required. This happens once in a lifetime, hopefully. Victuallers (talk) 08:34, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, but the context is not clear in the hook, and hooks should not assume too much knowledge from readers. The fact that the hook has indeed "failed to communicate" probably means that a new hook is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Having said that, I think the first hook may have some potential if additional context is given, but I think ALT1 should be dropped. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:02, 25 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
..alt2 ... that in June, UN forces left most of the province of Tangayika (ceremony pictured) leaving only two of Julie Ngungwa's territories in the "triangle of death"? Source:triangle of death etc
@Narutolovehinata5: A hook that communicates, I hope, that this isn't routine? Victuallers (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think ALT2 is better than ALT1. @Buidhe: Thoughts on it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:12, 29 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Respectfully, as someone who's been ing on Congo topics and following events in the Congo on and off for several years, UN troops being shuffled around is well, something rather mundane at this point. The DYK itself isn't really about the subject it purports to be (her), I think it would be better to have something more specific to Ngungwa, not events happening around her. -Indy beetle (talk) 15:12, 15 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Indy beetle: Respectfully - the hook isnt aimed at you. Your knowledge here is interesting but it doesnt effect the hookiness. It may be passe to you but our average reader wouldnt know that there is a UN force in the DRC, I have been following events in the DRC too for several years and I cannot remember a similar incident. Have I missed several this year? Maybe we can do a hook based on the large number if you have a few refs? As you know the province in question is about the same size as the UK so I'm intrigued to see that they can move UN forces in and out of it routinely. Victuallers (talk) 11:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That would be fine! Even if the withdrawals of UN troops do happen routinely then Alt2 still looks hooky to me and Buildhe seemed to agree. Victuallers (talk) 10:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lajmmoore: ALT3 is above 200 characters; can it be shortened? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:55, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT3a: ... that the 2021 election of Julie Ngungwa (pictured), and two other women as Congolese governors is significant for gender equality as no women were appointed in the previous election? Source: [4]
Thanks for checking my counting @Narutolovehinata5: I think this is on 200? Lajmmoore (talk) 11:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It's actually 171 characters (excluding pictured) which should make it just fine. The topic is somewhat outside my comfort zone so I won't approve it myself, but I hope either Buidhe or another or comes along and finishes the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rubicon (protein)

Atomic structure of Rubicon (red) bound to switch molecule Rab7
Atomic structure of Rubicon (red) bound to switch molecule Rab7

Created by Prodigiousfool (talk). Self-nominated at 19:52, 21 June 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Article moved to mainspace on 20 June, and is well beyond the required minimum length. All sources are, as far as I can tell, reliable. Earwig reveals no copyvio and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptably WP:Close paraphrasing. The picture meets the requirements, inasmuch as any ribbon diagram of a protein can be "clear", though it doesn't aid the readers' understanding much and I think this might be better as a "quirky" DYK entry (typically placed last) than as the top entry—but I'll leave that decision to the promoter (not that kind). This is the nominator's first nomination, so they are QPQ exempt. On account of this all being rather technical, I'll never be able to entirely rule out having missed some disqualifying issue with the content and will eventually just have too WP:Assume good faith. That being said, spot-checking did reveal some issues that will need to be addressed. Since this is basically all WP:Biomedical information, the sourcing requirements are fairly strict. My comments:

  • one of the few known negative regulators of autophagy – "one of the few known" is key here, and I didn't find that in the cited source. I did however find Rubicon is one of very few known broadly acting negative regulators of autophagy in reference 8 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272/).
  • cytosolic materials should probably be "cellular components".
  • impairs the autophagosome-lysosome fusion step of autophagy through inhibition of PI3KC3-C2 – It seems to me that the source to cite here is reference 8 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272/), which says "Rubicon disrupts autophagosome–lysosome fusion by inhibiting the class III phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase complex 2 (PI3KC3-C2)" rather than the sources it cites in the spirit of WP:Cite reviews, don't write them. It would at any rate have saved me as DYK reviewer a considerable amount of time in checking that the claims in the article are supported by the sources.
  • Lysosome should be linked.
  • Reference 13 and 14 are duplicates (both link to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6381146). So are reference 5 and 12 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664389); reference 7, 10, and 25 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6450660); and reference 8, 20, and 23 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272).
  • The WP:LEAD says Rubicon has been shown to positively regulate LC3-associated phagocytosis (LAP) and LC3-associated endocytosis (LANDO) whereas the body says Rubicon is required for LC3-associated phagocytosis (LAP) and LC3-associated endocytosis (LANDO). Is it a positive regulator or required?
  • direct interaction with multiple effector molecules – is "effector molecules" really the right term here?
  • The Rubicon homology domain is rich in histidine and cysteine residues – cysteine, yes, but histidine? Of the four zinc fingers, two have 3:1 cysteine:histidine ratios and the other two 4:0.
  • The C-terminal Rubicon homology domain mediates interaction with Rab7, and is shared by other RH domain-containing autophagy regulatory proteins, including PLEKHM1 and Pacer (also known as RUBCNL, Rubicon-like Autophagy Enhancer). is unsourced, though I think reference 8 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7382272/) would do.
  • The sources discuss inhibition of autophagosome maturation a great deal, but this article doesn't mention it at all.
  • conformational should link to protein conformation.
  • Rubicon recruits PI3KC3 to phagosomes – what the source says is that in the absence of Rubicon, Beclin1, UVRAG, and VPS34 recruitment was reduced, suggesting that Rubicon plays a role in the retention of the complex at the LAPosome.
  • in some cases exacerbate infection – this is a statement about the clinical course of the infection. What the source says is that it facilitates viral replication. More viral replication does not necessarily translate to a worse clinical infection.
  • Rubicon suppresses interferon and cytokine responses – interferons are a subgroup of cytokines, so this is phrasing is a bit odd. I would also link interferon and cytokine.
  • The sentence Since reduced autophagy is associated with decreased lifespan and increase susceptibility to disease, therapeutic modulation of Rubicon is of great interest in aging and age-related diseases. categorically needs to be sourced.
  • I can maybe accept using "flies" to refer to Drosophila melanogaster—though I would really prefer "fruit flies"—but not using "worms" to refer to C. elegans since the reader is likely to interpret it as meaning earthworms rather than roundworms if they don't look up C. elegans, which they are not likely to do. The names of the species should also be rendered in italics.
  • Rubicon knockout increases lifespan in worms (C. elegans) and flies (D. melanogaster) through modulation of autophagy. – The source attributes this to autophagy modulation for the former (C. elegans Rubicon regulates lifespan via modulating autophagy.) but not for the latter as far as I can see. Moreover, this only applies to female D. melanogaster, according to the source (whole body dRubicon knockdown slightly but significantly extended the lifespan in female specific manner).
  • The mutation that causes Salih ataxia should be further explained as a single-nucleotide deletion and a link to frameshift mutation should be included somewhere.
  • the Rubicon C-Terminal domain and RH domain – the RH domain is the C-terminal domain, no?
  • This is consistent with subsequent structural studies investigating the Rubicon:Rab7 interface. – this seems to be your WP:ANALYSIS.
  • See Also should be "See also" with a lowercase "a".

Ping Prodigiousfool. TompaDompa (talk) 23:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol possible vote.svgAs discussed on the DYK talk page, it needs a new hook. Schwede66 09:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'd like to nominate ALT3: "... that genetic deletion of the protein Rubicon reduces hallmarks of aging in roundworms, fruit flies, and mice?". I know that TompaDompa finds this form uninspiring (see their comments on the similar ALT1), however I'd argue that both to scientific and general audiences this is an interesting piece of information. From a scientific perspective, this protein was discovered and its function elucidated quite recently, and as the article says it is a potential target for novel therapeutics. To a general audience, the concept of aging mitigation is likely of interest and the Rubicon article can provide a gateway to reading about multiple related topics, including autophagy. I don't think the fact that the results originate from model organisms detracts from the hook, especially given the lack of controlled aging trials in humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prodigiousfool (talkcontribs) 05:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The original hook and ALT1 and ALT2 all having been rejected on the DYK talk page, ALT3 needs to be reviewed. (I've ed the version just above so it matches what's given up top for the same ALT3.) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think the wording in ALT3 is not matched in the article. The article does not state that Rubicon's deletion increases the lifespan in mice (although other benefits are given) and the article says that it increases the lifespan of roundwords and fruit flies, not "reducing hallmarks of aging". I'm suggesting an ALT below:
ALT4: ... that genetic deletion of the protein Rubicon increases the lifespan of roundworms and fruit flies?
@Prodigiousfool and TompaDompa: Thoughts? Z1720 (talk) 23:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Z1720: I would contend that the 'hallmarks of aging' phrasing is consistent with the citation, as it does not imply actual aging, but I defer to your judgment here. – Prodigiousfool
As I indicated at WT:DYK, I don't think the fact that performing a specific knockout extends lifespans in Caenorhabditis elegans and female Drosophila melanogaster is terribly interesting in itself; these animals are used for genetic studies because it's practical (short lifespans and so on), and there is no reason to expect this to translate to humans (it doesn't even translate to male D. melanogaster). That being said, I'm not going to protest if somebody else approves such a hook. TompaDompa (talk) 19:17, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Prodigiousfool: My concern with ALT 3 was not that it was not reflected in the source, but rather that it is not present in the article itself. If hallmarks of aging is the prefered language, then that should be put in the article. @TompaDompa: I find ALT3/4 to be interesting, as increasing life in animals could have ramifications in other species, like himans. If you do not think ALT3/4 are interesting then please propose new ALTs. Z1720 (talk) 01:52, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not going to review this nomination but I do think that ALT4 is a decent hook. Can we go with it if there's no article/sourcing issues with it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I support ALT4. Alternatively ALT5: ... that genetic deletion of the protein Rubicon is associated with reduction of aging-associated diseases in mice, roundworms, and fruit flies? I'd be happy with either being reviewed and putting this issue to rest. Tag Z1720, Narutolovehinata5. – Prodigiousfool
I haven't checked the article but I think ALT4 is a better hook since it's simpler. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: The article itself has already been reviewed. The only thing that is needed is a new hook. The difficulty with pages like this is coming up with a hook that is interesting without insinuating more significance than is warranted. In this case, the issue I have with ALT3/ALT4/ALT5 is that what would make it interesting is the implicit suggestion that this might have medical implications for humans, which is not warranted. To my eye, we're either making too strong a claim (if we are indeed implying that this could have implications for humans) or stating something that is rather dull (if we are not). Others might disagree, of course. Another angle that might be pursued in crafting an interesting hook is that the protein appears to have been independently discovered/characterized as part of investigations of autophagy[5] and Salih ataxia[6][7], though this is not currently mentioned in the article. By the way, I discovered this article which appears (I haven't read the article in detail) to contradict the article about Rubicon's role in LAP. This should be resolved. TompaDompa (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
... implicit suggestion that this might have medical implications for humans. Personally I didn't see that connection at all. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 5[]

Transgender genocide

Created by ProfGray (talk) and ThadeusOfNazereth (talk). Nominated by ThadeusOfNazereth (talk) at 10:58, 6 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Understood, thanks Sammi Brie. For some reason I thought I had already put the nomination on hold when that happened. Hopefully we'll be able to reopen soon. Can you clarify one thing? When you say "ALT0 would be AGF", are you saying you're assuming good faith that it's an accurate representation since you can't access, or is that a different abbreviation unique to DYK? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)Talk to Me! 19:34, 23 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The nomination remains active, and we can reevaluate in a week or two depending on the progress of talk page discussions. Yes, ThadeusOfNazereth, that is the correct meaning of AGF here. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 20:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I have accessed a pdf version of the book, and I can confirm that this is what Adam Jones wrote. The relevant quote is this: In recent years, as gay rights have become gradually more accepted and respected, the burden of atrocity has increasingly targeted transgender women and male transvestites. The country with by far the highest—unquestionably gendercidal—levels of such violence is Brazil, where “an estimated 326 trans people were reported killed” in 2014, or “one person every 27 hours.”, cited to this source, which itself relies on a report in Prensa Latina, a Cuban state newswire agency, and Prensa Latina cites official Brazil govt statistics. IMHO that isn't exactly showing best citation practices, but the hook is indeed verified and the author is a subject-matter expert, so yeah, that's fine. That said, I don't feel like reviewing topics I have little idea about. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Also, ALT1 might not be very interesting because, even though Fritz Kitzing seems to be often used as a case to show that the Nazis were oppressive towards transgender people, he is not otherwise known for anything else. I'd prefer either a quantifier (e.g. 90% of trans people who went to Dr. Hirschfeld's consultancy in Berlin went to concentration camps) or showing a better known transgender person, if there is any. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 6[]

2022 Iran–Greece naval incident

Created by Aye1399 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Yes, I just haven't been able to find any time for Wikipedia over the past few days. Gatoclass (talk) 03:47, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 12[]

Point and Shoot (Better Call Saul)

5x expanded by FishandChipper (talk). Self-nominated at 09:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

I removed the Evening Standard but I believe The Hollywood Reporter source does indeed say that it was after filming for 12 hours he had the heart attack, quote: "Banks jumped in to declare, “Bobby was dead. Three times with the [defibrillator] paddles,” as Seehorn explained the moment from her view, when she and Fabian were 12 hours into filming with Odenkirk." Also how exactly do you think the overquoting should be resolved? This is my first nomination so I'm kinda new to this.FishandChipper 🐟🍟 09:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FishandChipper The remaining issue is in the article itself and that can be fixed by putting parts of the quote(s) into your own words; sorry for the late response, I have been busy elsewhere on this site! K. Peake 11:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 14[]

Fannie Salter

Fannie Salter tending the bell at Turkey Point Light
Fannie Salter tending the bell at Turkey Point Light

5x expanded Improved to GA by Lindsey40186 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:46, 14 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg There are several passages that are too closely paraphrased and need to be rewritten. --evrik (talk) 21:27, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lindsey40186: Have you resolved the above concerns? Z1720 (talk) 19:38, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Evrik and Z1720: She hasn't ed since July 26. I will note that I said this at GAN: The Earwig tool, used to check for copyright violations, does find higher than normal overlap to some of the Coast Guard pages, but those are public domain works (like the images, as work by federal employees for their jobs). Most of the other matches are common formulations and the "easy chore" quote. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 23:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 15[]

Mandla Lamba

Tshepo Motsepe and Cyril Ramaphosa
Tshepo Motsepe and Cyril Ramaphosa

Created/expanded by 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Nice job saving this article! Recently expanded 5x, no copyvio and seems balanced. The sourcing might need a little work though. The article and several hooks cite Forbes Contributor article which isn't a reliable source. Can this be replaced with a more reliable source (the refs look good otherwise)? ALT0 seems the most interesting to me, but it's cited to a Forbes Contributor article. Striking ALT5 and ALT6 since they don't seem quite as interesting as the others. Re: ALT3 I'm not sure if running a photo of someone other than the person in the hook is ideal, but the hook itself is good. (Note: I also removed some overlinking from the hooks.) BuySomeApples (talk) 03:43, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on July 16[]

Bombing of Mokha

5x expanded by Mhhossein (talk). Nominated by Mhhossein (talk) at 12:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Having done dozens of DYKs so far, due to the usual backlog, it takes numerous days for the QPQed nominations to be reviewed and promoted. It is just a surprise seeing this comment and ridiculous for a QPQnomination to be closed solely for lack of QPQ. The QPQ will be provided within the coming days. --Mhhossein talk 10:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's per a recent recent rule change to DYK. See WP:DYKCRIT: Ideally, a QPQ should be submitted within a week of a nomination. After one week, and a reminder to the nominator, a nomination may be closed as "incomplete." Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:58, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol possible vote.svg Nominator was notified of the lack of a QPQ on July 30. This nomination should be rejected if no QPQ is supplied within a week from then, that is August 6. Flibirigit (talk) 16:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 21[]

Rowan Taylor (composer)

Created by October(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 16:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Some quite major issues with sourcing and article size need to be rectified before approval. Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your review and feedback! I agree that the Musicalics article is not the most reliable source. I've ed out the information from that article. However, the obit from Motley Vision can be considered reliable. According to WP:SELFPUB, a blog by an expert in the field is okay to use as a source, and Kent Larsen is an expert in the field of Mormon Letters. Even incidental mentions in newspapers are considered reliable, too. I think that the BYU Special Collections entry on Taylor, the various newspaper articles about his works (Papa and the Playhouse, Coriantumr, etc), and this newspaper article especially all support his notability. I hope that you'll review some of the s I made to the article and agree that Rowan Taylor is a notable composer. October(BYU) (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Still not sure about notability here so requesting another reviewer to look at this. Vladimir.copic (talk) 10:22, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 25[]

Articles created/expanded on July 26[]

Dave Wasserman

Converted from a redirect by ElectionWiz (talk). Nominated by Feminist (talk) at 06:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Two entire paragraphs depend on summarizing Wasserman's Cook bio. These sections lift too many words in a row (some of which, however, are titles or names of organizations which are permissible and unavoidable). See [8]. Is there anything to break this up a bit? This really needs to be addressed.
  • I adore ALT0...but I fear that, for some of our readers outside the United States, this quirky is about as interesting as cricket results are to me, so I'm leaving some possible options here.
    • The close paraphrasing/copyvio issue must be fixed before I can really contemplate this nomination much further. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 06:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Sammi Brie: Thanks for the review and the hooks! I've broken up the words a bit. A new reviewer may be needed for your hooks. feminist (talk) 03:23, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Trump alternate electors controversy

Created by Soibangla (talk). Nominated by FormalDude (talk) at 23:39, 26 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

* ALT1 has a better wikilink target; however, there is some preliminary discussion about the article title. I don't know the procedures for DYK nominations (especially if there are deadlines), but ideally the title discussion will wrap up expiously, one way or the other, before a DYK goes active. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 09:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Antony-22, ALT1 is interesting but is too long. Hooks need to be 200 characters at most, yours is 219. The main hook, or the shortened ALT1, may be considered for review. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There's discussion going on about whether "alternative" or "falsified" is better, so I'm providing both options at this time. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 05:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since "fake electors" blows away every other "(adjective) electors" that I have researched, I kinda think the article title should be changed per WP:COMMONNAME NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 05:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That one is even worse, because my character counter shows 230 characters (ALT2a/b have 195 characters, though they may benefit from making the hook shorter). Also, please resolve the alternate/fake elector issue before proceding further. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 12:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oops, thanks for catching that. I didn't realize my version of Word counts characters with... and without spaces. I used the without number.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@FormalDude and Szmenderowiecki: Where are we with this nomination? Are there any outstanding concerns? Z1720 (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Both ALT2s pass formal criteria but IDK if they are going to be in DYK. I'm not the one who decides here. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

With the RM now completed, I'm proposing an additional hook. ––FormalDude talk 03:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I want to point out that calling it "Trump's plot", which is different than the actual article title, is potentially a WP:BLPCRIME issue. It's a fact that the fake electors were voting for Trump, but due to the strictness of BLPCRIME there needs to be at least an indictment and preferably a conviction to give someone "ownership" of a conspiracy. ALT2b does not have these issues. I'll leave it up to the promoter to decide. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 02:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 27[]

Mick Moloney

Mick Moloney
Mick Moloney

5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Disagree. The hook should be focused the subject himself, not his family members/what they did. And adding more details to the hook will make it less interesting. I think Moloney bridging two distinct fields transcontinentally makes for a far more interesting hook than what could be said using the suggestions above. Full review needed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bloom6132: Still with us? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Overlap with LoC source was addressed back on August 6 (though such overlap may actually be permissible since that source is a work of the U.S. government). Whatever overlap remains are mostly proper names that fall under WP:LIMITED. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:08, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I am fine with ALT1. I am, however, not fine with you striking ALT0, as it satisfies WP:DYKHOOK (i.e. sourced, neutral, not unduly negative, etc.). Requesting a second look at both ALT0 and ALT1 from an uninvolved or (who can also confirmed that any WP:CLOP has been removed). —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol question.svg I frankly do not think that ALT0 meets the "interesting to a broad audience" criterion here. And "interesting to a broad audience" is also a part of WP:DYKHOOK. I have re-struck ALT0 as nominators generally don't unstrike an already struck hook without some discussion with the reviewer. As I mentioned earlier, I am not against ALT0's hook fact, merely its wording. I am still open to some variation of ALT0 (perhaps with additional context or different wording), just not ALT0 as currently written. If you are not willing to propose alternate versions of ALT0 then I suppose I'll be approving ALT1 instead as a compromise. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Well, I disagree with your subjective assessment (which is not the case with the other criteria in WP:DYKHOOK – they're pretty clear cut and objective). The last time you suggested an alternative hook for one of my noms claiming that it would make a better, more catchy DYK hook (Wayne Cooper (basketball), back in June this year), it drew in just 1,938 views. So there is good reason to (at the very least) question your take on what constitutes "interesting to a broad audience". That's why I've asked for an uninvolved or to have a look at ALT0 and ALT1. For the new reviewer:
Again, for an uninvolved or to assess. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not exactly sure why you really want ALT0 as written specifically when ALT1 already exists and is a suitable alternative. You already said that you're fine with ALT1, so why not just go with it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:06, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is there anything wrong with leaving it to the nom promoter decide? I'm fine if they choose ALT1 over ALT0, but the choice should at least be presented to them. It's not like ALT1 is palpably the superior hook that you're making it out to be. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Launch and commissioning of the James Webb Space Telescope

The launch of the James Webb Space Telescope
The launch of the James Webb Space Telescope

Created by Ganesha811 (talk). Nominated by Bruxton (talk) at 03:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Hook needs work. SounderBruce 23:57, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Basically just a shortened original hook. --LordPeterII (talk) 10:41, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@LordPeterII: I am ok with the modified hook. Also if the image is not suitable we can go without it. The article has videos and animations and is quite interesting. Thanks for the review! Bruxton (talk) 02:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bruxton: I was mistaken, the images are on Commons already. I was so bold as to change the selection in the article, so the low res one pictured above is gone. I'd instead go with either of these two:
Would you be fine with either of these?
Also pinging @SounderBruce as the original reviewer to decide on ALT2. --LordPeterII (talk) 07:32, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@LordPeterII: Both are great images. Image one is quite impressive. Bruxton (talk) 13:34, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Geothermal energy in Turkey

Geothermally heated spa in Keramet, Orhangazi
Geothermally heated spa in Keramet, Orhangazi

Improved to Good Article status by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:33, 27 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg better hook and fixing some of the close paraphrasing and we are good! Seddon talk 02:01, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could not find a better pic sorry but fixed copyvio (I think - Earwig is not working for me right now)Chidgk1 (talk) 11:37, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT1 ... that the Romans enjoyed balneotherapy from geothermal energy in Turkey? Source: Hierapolis is an exceptional example of a Greco-Roman thermal installation established on an extraordinary natural site. The therapeutic virtues of the waters were exploited at the various thermal installations, which included immense hot basins and pools for swimming. https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/485/

ALT2 ... that to effect greenhouse warming global hottest is geothermal energy in Turkey? (will cite if you like it) Chidgk1 (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT3 ... that reinjection is good protection, against a greenhouse effect when effecting greenhouse warming? (will cite if you like it) Chidgk1 (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT4 ... that, for hot Turkey, to avoid passing foul-smelling gas and annoying people nearby it is important to make sure we have reinjection.

ALT1 is the same as the main hook, so no need to repeat it. ALT2-4 seem to be Google-translated and make no sense for me. The fourth translation is even somewhat funny when you think of it. I can't speak Turkish, but maybe someone else can help you out. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 08:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Szmenderowiecki: ALT2-4 are aimed at native English speakers like me. So they are kind of puzzles which make no sense at first, so readers might be tempted to click to find out the meaning. ALT2 looks like a word salad reversing "greenhouse effect" and "global warming" but means that there are more geothermally heated greenhouses in Turkey than elsewhere in the world. ALT3 rhymes in the first clause and then reverses "greenhouse effect": meaning is that the CO2 must be put back in ground. ALT4 is supposed to make schoolkids think of farting: meaning is that hydrogen sulphide should be put back in ground. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:05, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Seddon: I just noticed you are an ex-geologist. As well as checking above hooks, if you have time could you tell me whether the geology parts of the article could be improved at all? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hmm, @Chidgk1 while I don't doubt your language proficiency, I must admit that I would have assumed ALT2-4 to be google translations as well – and reported them as a main page error, instead of being intrigued by them :/ Which is a shame, because quirkyness is one of the things I like about DYK. But at this level of quirky, they might work for April's fool or something; I think you'd need to make them a little less confusing for non-natives like me. --LordPeterII (talk) 08:23, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 28[]

John Jarvis-Smith

5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk), Edwardx (talk), and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 22:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

I see the article is still being worked on, if you give me a ping when you think it's ready I'll pop back to recheck. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 08:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Midwest Food Bank

Created by Compassionate727 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:15, 3 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 29[]

Aaron and Adam Weis

were, together, Bradley Bradshaw, and each of them Bay Area Teacher of the Month?

Created by KnightMove (talk). Self-nominated at 11:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Thanks for your feedback.
Now I have mentioned 826 Valencia explicitly as the organization issuing the award - I guess they are reliable about whom they grant their own awards.
About your other points, please specify - this is my very first nomination, so I am not too familiar with the rules yet.
"... that is an additional fact" - so it is unwanted to combine facts from different sources?
"...as for the hook itself, use an alt..." - what exactly do you mean, please? --KnightMove (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anyway, I have created the shortened hook. --KnightMove (talk) 12:56, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The kaliannews.info link is also not claimed in the article to mention the twins, it is used as a reference for a specific statement in context. The three media, articles from which I have set as weblinks, are used as sources in thousands of Wikipedia articles each. I still do think that they got sufficient significant coverage to be notable. --KnightMove (talk) 14:23, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Basically everything independently notable about these twins could be condensed to a sentence regarding their Top Gun appearance. Per WP:SINGLEEVENT, a redirect and mention at Top Gun or Top Gun (franchise) is probably sufficient. I'm sure they're fine teachers, but they're not encyclopedia-notable for being teachers.
A further review of sourcing (both currently cited and things I've found externally):
  • Bell, Diane (7 July 2018). "Tom Cruise movie sequel takes off without San Diego's 'Top Gun' twins". San Diego Union-Tribune. This is probably the single most significant coverage the twins have received in 35 years (other movie gossip sites refer to it), and it's basically a local human interest piece by a columnist about local boys who made good. From it we learn the twins were cast as extras in Top Gun after their mom took them to an audition. The twins later went to college and became teachers. Much of the short article is based on interviews with the twins themselves or their mother.
  • The entirety of their 1985 coverage in Vilitis: A Magazine of Folklore and Folk Dance, is a captioned photograph, reading: "This is Aaron and Adam (or is it Adam and Aaron) Weis (Ver Veis? — Yiddish for "who knows?"). Only loving parents could tell them apart. They are the twin sons of Martha and Dennis Weis of San Diego. The photos were taken during the Mother of Twins Christmas Party."[1] Not significant coverage. Nothing to do with their film role. Citing this in an encyclopedia is almost like holding up a receipt found in a garbage bin and declaring it says here "they once ate at Burger King".
  • Facebooks posts and iReport posts do not contribute to WP:GNG.
  • Awards given by 826 Valencia are verifiable, but as primary sources they do not contribute to notability unless multiple secondary independent sources comment on them. There are thousands if not millions of local business awards given around the world every year to decent, hardworking employees, but the vast majority of these don't warrant an encyclopedia article.
  • From Cinema.com.my, the only salient info regarding the twins is "Bradley was played by twins Aaron and Adam Weiss". Not significant coverage, and not info that requires a stand-alone biography.
  • IndieWire does not mention the twins at all, and so cannot contribute to the general notability guideline.
  • Of the three sources listed in External links, one is a syndicated reprint of the San Diego Union-Tribune column, and the other two are film gossip websites that merely piggy-back onto the Union Tribune article, verifying that the twins were in Top Gun, and that they talked to the Union-Tribune about not being in the sequel, and the Union Tribune reported they are teachers. Not significant coverage. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well... it does not quite make sense to further discuss this in this place, does it? Will you request a deletion? --KnightMove (talk) 07:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


  1. ^ "(caption)". Viltis. Vol. 44, no. 4. December 1985.

Articles created/expanded on July 30[]

Danket, danket dem Herrn

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 10:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Nice article - in the UK the well-known rounds are London's Burning and Frere Jacques, mainly sung by children. This German round is far more classy. Just a couple of comments:

Update: Apart from the pending QPQ, this nom is OK so far, for ALTs 0 and 1. Storye book (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My apologies, Piotrus, for not noticing that you had already reviewed. I'm not sure how that happened - really sorry. Please ignore my review unless there is anything in it that may be useful - though I believe our reviews are basically in agreement, anyway. I shall of course not be using my above review as a QPQ. Storye book (talk) 09:15, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you both for reviewing! I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Surprise (song). The original hook could be quirky in German where everybody would recognize Himmelgrün as a word play on Himmelblau, a blue colour like the sky, - it was the motto of the show, himmelgrün gate, himmelgrün pavilion ... But even without it I find it funny that a psalm verse goes to a garden show. The other is too general for my taste, but thank you for offering. I'm also not sure if we can present "am weitesten verbreitet" (broadest distribution) as "best-known" which seems not really the same to me. We sang it for a funeral, on top of about every other day at home. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gerda Arendt, Storye book, Perhaps we will need more input on that. My issue with the main hook is that it is strangely low-key; the pun certainly doesn't translate, and it reads like strange trivia about a very minor event; it's like saying "this is so unimportant the best we could say about it is this trivial fact". Note I am not saying this hook needs to be discard, I am just saying that I, personally (this is subjective) find it bland and interesting only in so far as it raises my eyebrow due to the mention of the event that sounds trivial. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I won't argue, just tell me if "best-known" is really equivalent to "one of those with the widest distribution" (which I find clumsy, but perhaps there's a short English term that I just don't know). Storye book, about the "tuning": Frere Jaques has only 6 notes (in a row), but Danket has 6 below the first note in the last section (on top of 6 above in the second section), which means that starting too low gets you into problems at the very end. I tried to say that shorter, and don't think it deserves broader coverage. Rounds are normally not performed in concert, but socially sung. BTW, these state garden shows are big affairs in Germany, announced years in advance, the pride of the city that holds it from spring to fall with many events (2030 for Baden-Württemberg, in the Wikipedia article), for example de:Liste der Landesgartenschauen in Rheinland-Pfalz. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, Gerda. I'm stepping down in favour of Piotrus now, for reasons given above. But if either of you need me to approve a hook or whatever, please ping me. Storye book (talk) 15:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gerda Arendt, As I don't speak German, it may be better to get a 3O on this term from someone who does. I believe I used this term since your article states: "It has been described as one of the best-known rounds in German." I admit now that I follow the source [15] I can't find such a claim the google translated version available to me. Could you provide the quote from the German source for that? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am sorry that I was sloppy (and didn't even remember). I asked my translator program now: "most widespread" is no. 2, "most common" no. 1 of the suggestions. I tend towards "widespread". I'll take that to the article for now. Storye book, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:52, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT2: ... that the 18th century "Danket, danket dem Herrn", a round of thanksgiving based on Psalm 106:1, has been described as one of the most widespread rounds in German? Storye book (talk) 17:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mehmet Şerif Fırat

ALT1... that to a reprint of Mehmet Şerif Fırats book in which he denied the existence of Kurds, the Turkish President Cemal Gürsel wrote a praising foreword in 1961? for in that book he (Mehmet Serif Firat) denied the existence of Kurds ... Turkish President Cemal Gürsel wrote a glowing introduction in the 1961 reissue of Firats History of Varto and the Eastern Provinces.Rebel Land: Unraveling the history in a Turkish townpp.40-41 Christopher de Bellaigue

Created by Paradise Chronicle (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 30 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
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Overall: Symbol question.svg I think ALT1 as written is too difficult to understand. ALT0 is fine though (t · c) buidhe 05:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks User:Buidhe for the review and comment. And you are right. I forgot that maybe it could be understood that Wikipedia also saw these views as true. Gürsel himself points to the findings of foreign scholars about an existence of Kurds in his foreword. I added some words on Gürsel's views on them and that those scholars contradict his views. Other works I read appear to assume the reader knows Kurds exist etc. He is mainly known for that foreword, similar books exist several, but none with a foreword by an acting Turkish President. But I can follow your NPOV concerns and the original hook is also quite surprising.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of politicians killed in the American Civil War

Created by Mr.crabby (talk). Self-nominated at 19:30, 30 July 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

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Overall: Symbol question.svg Sourcing is good, but references for Andrew Upson and Burton Millard are needed. I find ALT1 the most interesting of the set. Otherwise, looks great! Thrakkx (talk) 21:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 31[]

Madera Sugar Pine Company

Created by Guywelch2000 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 1[]

ArabLit & ArabLit Quarterly

These issues should be addressed before this nomination is formally reviewed. Daniel Case (talk) 03:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, @Daniel Case:, for your comments. I have added the quote about "all the wrong reasons" to the text of the article and the source here after the hooks. Also, I agree with your comment and suggestion for ALT3. Munfarid1 (talk) 06:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Created by Munfarid1 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]


  1. ^ mlynxqualey (2022-08-01). "Women in Translation Month: 10 New Books for 2022". ARABLIT & ARABLIT QUARTERLY. Retrieved 2022-08-09.

Articles created/expanded on August 2[]

World Heavyweight Championship (Los Angeles version)

Jim Londos
Jim Londos

Created by (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 01:29, 10 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Ossian D'Ambrosio

Created by Ffranc (talk). Self-nominated at 10:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Of the two I think the second hook is the more interesting one, however the source used for that hook (which has only been discussed briefly at RSN is being flagged as having questionable reliability via the User:Headbomb/unreliable script. It appears to be an encyclopedia that is itself citing other sources, but it does appear to be a less-than-stellar source. Would you be able to find a different source that supports this content? That's the only potential issue I can find. Aoidh (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Added a supplementary Italian-language source ("...l'autore, che da tempo di occupa di occulto, prima come musicista della seminale band di pagan metal Opera IX, poi come druido e organizzatore del raduno celtico di Beltane." [...the author, who has been involved in the occult for a long time, first as a musician of the seminal pagan metal band Opera IX, later as druid and organizer of the Celtic Beltane gathering.] But I also kept Wrldrels, because I don't see what the problem is, and per WP:RSUE we should prioritise English-language sources. Wrldrels is written and ed by scholars and neutral in content and tone. In the link you posted the criticism consists of guilt by association with Massimo Introvigne and his organisation CESNUR. A quick search gives the indication that Wikipedia's problem with CESNUR has to do with its coverage of Scientology. There was a wave of interest in that on Wikipedia and other parts of the Internet in the late 2000s, and apparently CESNUR wasn't deemed critical enough. Whether that's a fair assessment or not, Wrldrels isn't CESNUR, the article here isn't by Introvigne, and the new religious movement here isn't Scientology. Ffranc (talk) 11:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did a little more digging and it does seem like you're right that the CESNUR link is the issue with World Religions and Spirituality Project, which I was fine with discounting initially but I did more digging and it turns out that one of the two authors of your source is Stefania Palmisano, who it turns out serves on the CESNUR board of directors (the other author is a grad student). Given CESNUR's apparent biases in the area that this source is discussing, I don't think we can use it as a reliable source, especially per WP:SCHOLARSHIP as I could find no evidence of it being reviewed by the wider academic community in any way. Unfortunately the lastampa.it source doesn't say he approached modern paganism because of music, just that he was a musician before he was a druid and organizer. If possible I would suggest finding a more solid source for the second hook, but how about this for a hook:
It's interesting that he does all of those things and might be a good alternative to the hooks above. Do you think you'd be able to find a source for the journalist part that isn't the the WRSP source? - Aoidh (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm fine with any of the alts. I removed "journalist" from the article and switched to "writer" in the lead, since he has written two books. The one other source I found for journalism only mentions that he writes for his organisation's publication, so it might be limited to that, and then it's not really worth mentioning.
But I still don't buy that there's any problem with the WRSP. The academic credentials are clearly there, and if there is to be an exception you need to provide something more substantial than guilt by association with CESNUR. Stefania Palmisano is an associate professor at the University of Turin and responsible for various academic publications. WRSP is directed by David G. Bromley, a professor at the Virginia Commonwealth University, which publishes the website. Lots of mainstream scholars are or have been involved in CESNUR in various capacities, because it's a prominent institution within the study of new religious movements. Having a connection to CESNUR doesn't mean that the credibility and reliability of other publications suddenly disappear, as if CESNUR carries some kind of plague that everything else must be kept at a safe distance from. Evidently, that isn't how scholars treat it: neither Palmisano, Bromley nor the Virginia Commonwealth University are treated as suspicious and unreliable. Ffranc (talk) 13:22, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've started a discussion at RSN here since so much of the article is dependent on this source, which does seem to be potentially problematic; I'd like a wider input before moving forward. In the meantime if you're able to find different sources that can be used we could potentially sidestep the whole issue, and three sources have been mentioned to me as potential sources if you wanted to check them out and see if they could possibly be used: [16][17][18] - Aoidh (talk) 02:12, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Given the discussion and journalist part being removed, this is the current proposed hook:
Given the question about the source and since I've proposed a hook I'll ask for a third person to review that hook: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg - Aoidh (talk) 22:46, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 3[]

Megan Cornish

Megan Cornish circa 1983
Megan Cornish circa 1983

Created by Mathieulalie (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 17:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC). FYI - this has been submitted to the GOCE for review. --evrik (talk) 17:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 4[]

Treat Me

Created by VersaceSpace (talk). Self-nominated at 17:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

I've struck the original hook owing to factuality concerns. In the meantime here's some alternate hooks:
ALT1 ... that Chloe Bailey wrote her song "Treat Me" while exiting a relationship?
ALT2 ... that to promote her song "Treat Me", Chloe Bailey released a teaser video depicting her wearing a bodysuit with crystals?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:35, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Curriculum for Wales (2022–present)

Created by Llewee (talk). Self-nominated at 00:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 5[]

Vincent Ialenti

Ialenti in 2021
Ialenti in 2021

Created by Thriley (talk), Lemoncat1234 (talk), and (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 19:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Wang Henei

Created by Toodles The Grey (talk). Self-nominated at 21:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Nuffield Press

5x expanded by Owain.davies (talk). Self-nominated at 13:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 6[]

Patrick Degorce

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

In Win Development

Created by DigitalIceAge (talk). Self-nominated at 23:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg This article seems largely promotional, and the hook isn't interesting OwainDavies (about)(talk) ed at 09:40, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Let's wait for the AFD to conclude before failing this nom. Can you please point out the promotional content in the article? I have tried hard to balance all viewpoints on the company and their products (especially in the Reception section) and have tried to not leave out any negative aspects wrt their fiscal performance. DigitalIceAge (talk) 16:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • While I agree with not approving the nom, I don't agree with simply failing it, either. Clearly, this is a case of "more work needed". Personally, I feel like the company & the article both seem pretty boring: For example, there's a ton of info about the historical size of the office space, which I don't see why it would be helpful for any reader. Same with days needed to produce something, or whatever that is supposed to say. The article could be trimmed down a lot, and that might help with the feeling of it being "off". It doesn't have the usual issues with tone – none of the usual advertisement words like "great", "biggest" and so forth, just lots of technical details.
I do find ALT0 to be moderately interesting, while ALT1 is again rather technical. As a side note: I personally prefer if company names aren't shown directly on the front page, so e.g. a company (piped) instead of In Win Development; but this is just my opinion and by no means a DYK rule. --LordPeterII (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, @LordPeterII:, thank you for the in-depth review and criticism (and sorry for this late reply). I've restructured the article, including moving the manufacturing information to its own section, to make the article less of a slog to read. However, I'm not sure what to do about the boring nitty-gritty. I really don't think there's any information to leave out, as I consider the details of manufacturing encyclopedic in demystifying what it takes to manufacture a standard PC case. Perhaps some of it could go to Computer case, but I don't know how applicable the information is to other players in the industry. DigitalIceAge (talk) 21:35, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@DigitalIceAge: It looks a bit better after the restructuring. I can follow your reasoning about whether or not to move some technical stuff to computer case, and I'm not sure either. Let's first wait for the AfD to close, but then I think a fresh reviewer might be best, who may see things different yet than myself or Owain.davies. --LordPeterII (talk) 10:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@LordPeterII: The AFD closed as keep so the nomination can now proceed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks, but I actually think I won't review for once, because I'd like another viewpoint on the present content. So, someone else take over please. --LordPeterII (talk) 17:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 7[]

Dir, dir, Jehova, will ich singen

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:41, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Operation Tariq al-Qods

5x expanded by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Institutes of Gaius

Converted from a redirect by WatkynBassett (talk). Self-nominated at 05:57, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Hamim Tohari

Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 17:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Ananta Prem Tumi Dao Aamake

Created by FaysaLBinDaruL (talk). Self-nominated at 05:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I think it's better but I'm not really sure if it appeals to a broad audience. I think I may have to ask for a second opinion here, ideally from someone outside of South Asia so they can give a detached opinion here. At the very least, I don't think ALT0 is feasible (I've struck it), but ALT1 may be possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:04, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 8[]

Mary Metlay Kaufman

Mary M. Kaufman preparing for a session of the Nuremberg Trials.
Mary M. Kaufman preparing for a session of the Nuremberg Trials.

Created by Shockofsputnik (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 19:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Carl C. Turner

alt1 doesnt mention everything but does, I think, include the hooky bit. Victuallers (talk) 16:18, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Created by Mztourist (talk). Self-nominated at 04:58, 9 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Spectrum (physical sciences)

Created by Fgnievinski (talk). Nominated by Helloheart (talk) at 23:20, 8 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Please first have reliable references ready for this article. At present, there are many paragraphs without citation, which makes the article not eligible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Current nominations[]

Articles created/expanded on August 9[]

Divertimento (Bernstein)

Bernstein in 1977
Bernstein in 1977

Created by Ron Oliver (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:08, 16 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Tornado Cash

Created by Thriley (talk) and PabloCastellano (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 18:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Frabjous Days: The Secret World of Godley & Creme 1967–1969

Created by DigitalIceAge (talk). Self-nominated at 04:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Liberia–United Kingdom relations

Created by RoundSquare (talk). Self-nominated at 05:44, 11 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

LAX Consolidated Rent-A-Car Facility

Created by RickyCourtney (talk). Self-nominated at 20:39, 10 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Hello Sammi Brie and thank you for the helpful critique of the page. I will work on bulking up the paragraphs with additional citations. In the meantime, I have found a more reliable source for both claims in the DYK: Source: https://labusinessjournal.com/infrastructure/work-begins-lax/ Hope that works! --RickyCourtney (talk) 15:11, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That helps, RickyCourtney... But three paragraphs in the article body still need citations. Lots of short, choppy paragraph-sentences, too. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 05:26, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Herb Roedel

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:14, 9 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 10[]

The Exposé

Created by Isi96 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

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Overall: Symbol question.svg Article is long enough, has adequate sourcing, and the hook is verifiable. However, the article has a bit too much close paraphrasingfor my liking. I also think that this article's hook could be better to be something like this:

Articles created/expanded on August 11[]

Battle of Omagh

Created by Fingoal (talk). Nominated by Gaois (talk) at 00:28, 16 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Hamad al-Hajji

Some new sources have been written about him that I do not have access to them: Hamad al-Hajji#Further reading. "The story of Hamad Al-Hajji; new medical reading" wrote by two specialist physician who have examined his disease in a more scientific way. But based on current article sources, i guess we can find some hooks. Created by Ruwaym (talk). Self-nominated at 17:01, 13 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Tigor Silaban

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 16:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 12[]

Elden Ring

Improved to Good Article status by CollectiveSolidarity (talk). Self-nominated at 18:53, 15 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Beth Nealson

Beth Nealson, Mayor of Leaside
Beth Nealson, Mayor of Leaside

5x expanded by Cielquiparle (talk) and created by HondaOdyssey52 (talk). Nominated by Cielquiparle (talk) at 07:41, 15 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Zodiac Suite

Moved to mainspace by Vladimir.copic (talk). Self-nominated at 23:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Narender Thapa

Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 17:43, 12 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Barry Downs (architect)

Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 12 August 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply