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Kaari Utrio novels[]

Hi. I came across a number of articles about novels by Kaari Utrio; basically all the blue links at Kaari Utrio#Novels. They have a number of things in common: all consist of one line of text and an infobox, are unsourced and tagged for notability since 2012, and lack an entry on the Finnish Wikipedia. It doesn't appear to me that any of these pass WP:NBOOK, but I can't be sure without access to potential Finnish coverage that might exist. Can anyone check whether any of these articles do have significant coverage and are worth keeping/improving? If not, I propose redirecting all of them to Kaari Utrio. Lennart97 (talk) 09:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

One user seems to have added some references at least to one of the articles: [1]. As far as I can see, all the novels by Kaari Utrio would fullfill the the notability criteria of WP:NBOOK because for sure all of the novels and non fiction books by Utrio have recieved wide and independent publicity. Another question is if anyone is going to write more about the books in en-wikipedia or if anyone is going to add references to the rest of the articles as well. The lack of articles in Finnish language Wikipedia is simply due to the fact that someone has happend to create the articles here and not in fi-Wikipedia.--Urjanhai (talk) 16:30, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
I also added some sources to Tuulihaukka. As 22 of these books are from the late 20th century and three from the early 2000s, it's not easy to find sources online. Yksisarvinen is one of her most important works and yet that article was deleted two years ago even though that article seemed to pass the WP:NBOOK criterion "book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself". So, I'm unsure if I should continue finding sources for these articles, if they just get removed/redirected even after if they pass some of the WP:NBOOK criteria. --JAAqqO (talk) 18:14, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
JAAqqO, thank you for your efforts so far. That deletion discussion resulted in a "soft delete" basically because no one showed up to really argue for the article to be kept, so I wouldn't worry too much about that; in fact, I do encourage you to add sources to more of these articles if you can, and remove the notability tags once you feel that NBOOK is met. Ideally, it would be great if they can be expanded in such a way that they are no longer WP:PLOTONLY, but simply adding some good sources to the article is the first step to get there. Lennart97 (talk) 09:45, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
The Sources exist for sure, so the only thing that is required is to dig up them if only someone has the possibility to do that. Some newspapers (or at least Helsingin Sanomat) have online archives that can be accessed by subscribers and in public librariers or at the national library the rest of newspapers and magazines can be accessed either in printed form or in microfilm. (With some effort, of course.) And Especially, as Kaari Utrio is one of the most notable writers of this literaty genre in Finland, there for sure is a lot about her books even in research litterature, interviews, biographies etc.--Urjanhai (talk) 10:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Kaisaniementie, street in Helsinki?[]

Hey, Finland specialists! We have Wikidata:Kaisaniementie, is this a hoax street? Eg Commons:Category:Kaisaniementie says also that "Suomi: Kaisaniementie on katu Helsingissä (HUOM: Voi olla virheellinen katu!)"--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:42, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

This turned out to be surprisingly complicated. There are a few location names that sound very similar but are relevant for this discussion: Kaisaniemi is both a bay and an adjoining cape/park/sports field/green space with a botanical garden in central Helsinki. The park is flanked by roads to the west, north and east. The largest of these roads, to the east, is unambiguously Kaisaniemenkatu, and is relevant only as a potential source of confusion. In current maps, including both Google Maps and the National Land Survey of Finland, the other two roads (that are connected by a curve) are labeled Kaisaniemenranta (north side, between the park and the bay, lit. Kaisaniemi beach/shore [road]) and Kaisaniemen puistokuja (west side, lit. Kaisaniemi park lane). The National Land Survey of Finland does not recognize a road by the name Kaisaniementie in Helsinki.
At the same time, there seems to have been historically a road by that name. I found a city of Helsinki building plan document that labels the address of the Kaisaniemi park's sports field and related structures as "Kaisaniementie 1–3". There's also a 2015 news article which states the Kaisaniemi park sports field is located at Kaisaniementie 2. Finally, a rather old page on the Helsinki City Museum website lists the address of a now-closed restaurant that is located in the curve joining Kaisaniemenranta and Kaisaniemen puistokuja as Kaisaniementie 6. The are also other, but less reliable sources, indicating that the restaurant has at least at some point used the Kaisaniementie address. Finally, Google Maps knows Kaisaniemen puistotie by the alias Kaisaniementie (see [2]). Based on the above, it seems that Kaisaniementie is likely not a "hoax" per se, but instead an older/alternative name for the road that is currently officially known as Kaisaniemen puistokuja. -Ljleppan (talk) 08:18, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
@Ljleppan: excellent work, user:Ljleppan!--Estopedist1 (talk) 09:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Translation of sotakorkeakoulu[]

I've been updating a bunch of Finnish WP:MILHIST bios, and there seems to be some inconsistency in how "sotakorkeakoulu" is translated to English. A bunch of individual bios use "war college", as does National Defence University (Finland) ("Sotakorkeakoulu ("War College", founded in 1924)"). But Finnish Defence Forces uses "General Staff College (Sotakorkeakoulu)". Does anyone have English language references that would favor one translation over the other? -Ljleppan (talk) 16:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Mika Salo paid ing[]

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Mika Salo#Discussion of "paid contributions" template – some input would be helpful from people familiar with the subject.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  21:52, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Rename articles about uezds for consistency[]

I’m proposing renaming every article in the form of, for example, Akhtyrka Uyezd → Akhtyrka Uezd, to match the spelling of the renamed main article Uezd. Please discuss at talk:Uezd#Rename articles about uezds for consistency. —Michael Z. 22:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Kanssallissosialisti (publication)#Requested move 25 December 2021[]


There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kanssallissosialisti (publication)#Requested move 25 December 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink ( ) 17:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Finnish boxer at AfD[]

Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)