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Old GA nomination[]

Hi members, if anyone interested please have a look at this GA nomination Sidney Hill for review. It was submitted on 30 May 2020. I have also notified about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity. Thank you — Amkgp 💬 18:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Dan Ammann[]

Hi! Sharing in case this is of interest to anyone here: a draft article about Dan Ammann, CEO of Cruise, is currently under review in the AfC queue. I have a COI here – Cruise is a client of my employer. Happy to answer any questions, and appreciate any feedback. Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 19:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Lewis Heim[]

If somebody's looking for something to do, Lewis Heim is a really interesting biography which needs quite a bit of wikilove to bring it up to stylistic standards. In particular, there's a bunch of badly formatted references, some of which can be augmented with details from here. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:09, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Otto Hitler date of birth discussions[]

Members of this project may be interest in the related discussions here and here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:57, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

... and on Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Hitler_family about the current version of the article Hitler family created by the thread starter. --KnightMove (talk) 08:40, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Roger de Streton[]

Whilst researching 1870 shipwrecks, I came across a piece in the Morning Post of 14 October 1870 which said that the tomb of "Roger de Straten" had been discovered in the nave of the Benedictine Abbey church of St. André, Bruges. De Straten had died in 1335. The tomb also contained his wife Mary and their unmarried son, also Roger.

Is "Roger de Straten" the same as Roger de Streton? Mjroots (talk) 16:35, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Nicole (German Singer)[]

I've spent the last few days expanding the Nicole article. I've rewritten most of it and added some tables for her discography. Any feedback would be welcome. Up until a few days ago, I've mostly only done small s on Wikipedia. GravityIsForSuckers (talk) 18:09, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Thomas FitzMaurice FitzGerald Namespace[]

Hello, I would like to ask if I may why the page for Thomas Fitzmaurice, Lord OConnello is called Thomas FitzMaurice FitzGerald when he was not called FitGerald. I see this quite often and I think maybe its because the Author wants to show a link to the Fitzgerald Dynasty (The Geraldines) but that is not necessary as the links do that quite weel and in fairness his name is Thomas Fitzmaurice. Cheers, Joseph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joefitzer (talkcontribs) 22:01, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Incorrectly named namespaces/pages[]

Hi Folks, I would like to ask if I may why the following namespaces/pages are named incorrectly and if they can be changed:

1. Namespace/Page Name: Thomas FitzMaurice FitzGerald. Correct Name: Thomas Fitzmaurice, Lord OConnello, he was not called FitzGerald and this is very clear by wikipedias own pages. He was called FitzMaurice because his fathers name was Maurice i.e. Maurice Fitzgerald, Lord of Llanstefan. This was the naming convention at the time. 2. Namespace/Page Name: James FitzMaurice FitzGerald. Correct Name: James Fitzmaurice, he was not called FitzGerald and this is very clear by wikipedias own pages. He was called FitzMaurice because his fathers name was Maurice i.e. Maurice Fitzjohn, of Totane. This was the naming convention at the time. 3. Namespace/Page Name: John FitzGerald 1st Baron Naas. Correct Name: John FitzThomas, 1st Baron Naas, he was not called FitzGerald and this is very clear by wikipedias own pages. He was called FitzThomas because his fathers name was Thomas i.e. Thomas Fitzmaurice, Lord OConnello. This was the naming convention at the time. 4. Namespace/Page Name: John FitzGerald, 1st Earl of Kildare. Correct Name: John FitzThomas, 1st Earl of Kildare, he was not called FitzGerald and this is very clear by wikipedias own pages. He was called FitzThomas because his fathers name was Thomas i.e. Thomas Fitzmaurice, Lord OConnello. This was the naming convention at the time.

Additionally items 3. And 4. above appear to me to be the same person and Wikipedia’s own pages confirm what I am saying. If you need for me to send to you external references I can do this, please let me know. I have seen this issue quite often i.e. (Fitzgerald being tagged on to other names) and I think maybe this is done because the Author wants to show a link to the Fitzgerald Dynasty (The Geraldines) but that is not necessary as the links do that quite well and in fairness none of their names is FitzGerald so why should the page author be allowed to refer to the person with the incorrect name.

Thank you for your time and assistance and have a very Merry Christmas. Joseph.

Joefitzer (talk) 19:41, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Folks,

The following pages have no talk page because they belong to the Wiki_Project_Biography and WiKI_Ireland_Project.

I would like to ask if I may why the following namespaces/pages are named incorrectly and if they can be changed:

1. Namespace/Page Name: Thomas FitzMaurice FitzGerald. Correct Name: Thomas Fitzmaurice, Lord OConnello, he was not called FitzGerald and this is very clear by wikipedias own pages. He was called FitzMaurice because his fathers name was Maurice i.e. Maurice Fitzgerald, Lord of Llanstefan. This was the naming convention at the time. 2. Namespace/Page Name: James FitzMaurice FitzGerald. Correct Name: James Fitzmaurice, he was not called FitzGerald and this is very clear by wikipedias own pages. He was called FitzMaurice because his fathers name was Maurice i.e. Maurice Fitzjohn, of Totane. This was the naming convention at the time. 3. Namespace/Page Name: John FitzGerald 1st Baron Naas. Correct Name: John FitzThomas, 1st Baron Naas, he was not called FitzGerald and this is very clear by wikipedias own pages. He was called FitzThomas because his fathers name was Thomas i.e. Thomas Fitzmaurice, Lord OConnello. This was the naming convention at the time. 4. Namespace/Page Name: John FitzGerald, 1st Earl of Kildare. Correct Name: John FitzThomas, 1st Earl of Kildare, he was not called FitzGerald and this is very clear by wikipedias own pages. He was called FitzThomas because his fathers name was Thomas i.e. Thomas Fitzmaurice, Lord OConnello. This was the naming convention at the time.

Additionally items 3. And 4. above appear to me to be the same person and Wikipedia’s own pages confirm what I am saying. If you need for me to send to you external references I can do this, please let me know. I have seen this issue quite often i.e. (Fitzgerald being tagged on to other names) and I think maybe this is done because the Author wants to show a link to the Fitzgerald Dynasty (The Geraldines) but that is not necessary as the links do that quite well and in fairness none of their names is FitzGerald so why should the page author be allowed to refer to the person with the incorrect name.

Thank you for your time and assistance and have a very Merry Christmas. Joseph.

Joefitzer (talk) 19:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Joefitzer: Thanks for using the request template. The template is designed for users with a conflict of interest to ask other ors to assess their proposed changes. Since you do not appear to have a conflict of interest with these people, I have closed this ticket. However, you can still post your concerns on the article's talk page for ors to assess. More details are below.
I am confused when you say The following pages have no talk page. All articles on the Wikipedia article space have talk pages, but some of them only have banners because no one has started a conversation yet. I suggest that you post your concerns on the article's talk page under the banners so other ors can discuss your proposed changes. Also, it is important that you verify your changes with reliable sources so I suggest you include the external references in your proposal. If you need any help, please post on the help desk (click me!) or post a response below. Happy ing! Z1720 (talk) 19:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hello! Caroline here with 3M, as disclosed on my profile and at both Talk:3M and Talk:Michael F. Roman. I submitted a draft article for Michael F. Roman, which was taken live (thanks again!), but an or added a banner with the text: "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject". I've disclosed my conflict of interest as required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use, and I've worked to draft neutral text. I've tried to reach out to the or who added the banner, both at Talk:Michael F. Roman and at User_talk:Bkissin#Banner_at_Michael_F._Roman, but I've received no reply. If there are no neutrality issues with the article's text, would someone mind removing the banner? Thanks for your consideration, CB at 3M (talk) 15:12, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@CB at 3M: That banner is still appropriate; if a close connection has written a large amount of an article, which is uncommon even if written neutrally, readers (and ors) deserve to know that it is basically a "subject-approved page" (something Wikipedia doesn't really want, as it is independent, etc.) It's not saying there's anything wrong, just that the subject has had more control over the Wikipedia article than probably expected. Kingsif (talk) 16:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Socrates Nelson[]

(This post is shamelessly self-plagiarized from one I made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Minnesota)

I recently stumbled across the article Socrates Nelson. It seems to have been largely (but not entirely) untouched over the last six+ years. Since then, the article's creator and I have substantially expanded the article, adding an infobox, a number of references, more comprehensive information about Nelson's life, etc. It's not a rush, but I was hoping someone from this WikiProject could re-assess the article's grade as it pertains to this project's scope.

Based on the research I did into the subject, the article is fairly comprehensive, but there are definitely still some gaps that could be filled in (for example, his term in the Minnesota Senate needs fleshing out, and it wouldn't hurt to include more information on e.g. his family life and logging business if it's out there), and it's still actively being worked on.

My personal assessment is that the article is currently a 'C', and might be improved to a 'B' in the near future. Given the subject is a somewhat obscure politician whose career was 150+ years ago, I believe the breadth and quality of content in its current state would be completely satisfactory and useful to a casual reader (in fact, based on the sources I've trawled through thus far, I think this might be the most comprehensive central resource on this man anywhere on the web), but that a 'B' grade just isn't in order yet. At any rate, I'm also open to suggestions about what could be improved. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

@TheTechnician27: I've reassessed it, I agree with C class for biography. I haven't changed the other WikiProjects since you've asked those, too. I left notes in an reason, but my best advice now (if you've exhausted sources) is to try and rewrite a little - the prose is fast, it states very simple facts in quick succession and there is likely more level of detail in the sources. Even without more detail, the flow can be improved by changing sentence style, etc. After that, sending it to WP:GOCE for a proper copy. I admire GOCE a lot; I have studied and write professionally but for real nuance of appropriate wikistyle it's the frequent copyors to ask. Kingsif (talk) 11:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
@Kingsif: Thankfully, I hadn't run out of resources just yet; I still had Chronicling America up my sleeve. Having used that now, though, I think I've probably hit a brick wall. After a bit more more touching up (provided I don't stumble across something major), I'll consult GOCE and see how they can help. Although I don't believe there is a lot more detail within the sources I have available, I still recognize that my narrative style is pretty garbage, effectively boiling down to "and then, and then, and then...", so I'm sure they can at least improve the quality of the prose. In the meantime, I've broken up the two largest sections into paragraphs for readabillity, added a bit of information from contemporary news sources, and added a few images for less visual monotony. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 03:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Template 'Preferred pronouns' is available[]

For biographical articles, template {{Preferred pronouns}} is now available for Talk page usage. Please suggest any desired changes at the Template talk page. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Award templates?[]

I have no experience with award templates used at the foot of biographies, but I'm looking at these s and wondering if this is an appropriate usage of this template space. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, relevant navboxes. The user has been going through a lot of navboxes and adding them to bios without them (where they should be), so if it looks like a sudden template dump that's why. Kingsif (talk) 11:00, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Images of mass murder perpetrators at FFD[]

I welcome your input at the following link: Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 December 8#Several Images of mass shooters. --George Ho (talk) 23:28, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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Should Purple Numbers be freestanding or part of Douglas Engelbart biography?[]

I have asked for deletion review of Purple Numbers (now a redirect).  « Saper // @talk »  21:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Notification of bot request[]

I have submitted a bot request to do the following:

A discussion about the usefulness of such a bot (and the categories themselves) is occurring at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BattyBot 53. Any thoughts you would like to add there would be appreciated. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:27, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Francis de Laporte de Castelnau[]

I may need some help with Francis de Laporte de Castelnau, a 19th century French naturalist and diplomat who also appears to be related to nobility: I am of the opinion that the current page title should be changed, but I'm not sure what it should be. At the very least though his first name tends to be given as "François" rather than "Francis". Looking through the page's history, it used to be titled "François Louis de la Porte, comte de Castelnau", until it was moved to its current title by LouisPhilippeCharles in 2010 (who was indefinitely blocked later that year).

Some other notes:

So, what should the page's title be instead?

Monster Iestyn (talk) 03:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, after having no response for nearly two weeks (it looks like this WikiProject is not very active at all currently), I'm just going to WP:RM to deal with this. Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Hubert Nathan Myers and Clifford Williams[]

Hi all

I've just started an article for Hubert Nathan Myers and Clifford Williams who spent 43 years in prison of murder before being exonerated. Its clear that they are notable enough for Wikipedia and very widely covered in the media (I've only added a small number of the references available). However I don't understand what to call the article to correctly fit in with Wikipedia policies (biographies are not usually my thing). There appear to be a few options:

  1. Keep the article about two people (this makes sense because their stories are so closely related)
  2. Split it into two separate biographies
  3. Rename the article to be able the case (I assume this is the actual correct one but no idea what to call the case, The state of Florisa vs ??? maybe).

Please feel free to just change it to what is correct

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 23:46, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Eni Njoku[]

Greetings:

I noticed on the biography of the Nigerian scientist Eni Njoku that a user (Fagbohunmichael) around May 2020 erroneously added several references in the Selected Works section that do not belong to that article. They belong to Eni G. Njoku who does not yet have an article. I am new to Wikipedia ing and do not want to tackle removing such a large erroneous segment of the article, hence I am posting here hoping a more experienced or might be able to help. I have added one correct reference to the top of the list. That reference has publication date 1956. The other references all have publication dates after the death of Eni Njoku.

Thank you for your help, Eonn (talk) 05:46, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done! Peaceray (talk) 05:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Mythology of Benjamin Banneker[]

Input at Talk:Mythology of Benjamin Banneker would be appreciated. A Wired article raised an issue (see link in talk page notice) and there is a discussion about the level of detail and use of sources. Fences&Windows 23:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

For a direct link to the Wired article cited above, see: Cohen, Noam (January 4, 2021). "Wikipedia's Biggest Challenge Awaits in 2021". Wired. Corker1 (talk) 06:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Yagan Featured article review[]

I have nominated Yagan for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where ors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox member of the Knesset[]

Template:Infobox member of the Knesset has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox officeholder. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 03:44, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

What should be the scope of "people from X" lists?[]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of people from Ukraine § Comments. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 22:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Help with updates for James F. Allen article[]

Hello! Gary here, hoping to submit a few updates for the James F. Allen (chairman of Hard Rock International; CEO of Seminole Gaming) article, as I've disclosed on the article's talk page. I managed to submit a couple requests successfully in December, but so far no ors have replied to my most recent one. Are any project members available to take a look? Thanks for any help! GaryBitner (talk) 20:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Automated flagging of statements needing citations[]

Hi, to reduce the burden of manual assessments on part of ors, we are working on an AI to automatically identify issues in statements along the lines of neutrality, clarifications and citations. The AI learns from statements in low quality articles that are problematic. We need some help evaluating the predictions to make them better and prepare for community use. I'm providing a few example predictions flagged by the AI for statements needing citations. Please let us know inline if the statements below indeed need citations. For every correctly identified statement needing citation, the AI is saving an or's valuable time in manual assessment. With enough support, we hope to make this available for help with article review. See the discussion on FAR for more information. Sumit (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice[]

I have nominated Thrasybulus for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where ors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Bacon 03:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)