Wikipedia talk:AALERTS


Missed TfD for WikiProject Shakespeare[]

Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Bugs#TfM_not_picked_up

Setting up[]

So will the bot automatically populate the information needed in the page Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy/Article_alerts, or do I need to add some wikicode to set it up? I already added the project to the subscription list page, and had to create Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy/Article_alerts as a new blank page. Tea and crumpets (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@Tea and crumpets: This is correct and all you have to do. The bot will create whatever other pages it needs to tomorrow morning when it runs. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:16, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! Tea and crumpets (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
@Tea and crumpets: Sorry about this, I meant to copy-paste from below and change things to genealogy, but I brainfarted. You fixed things so everything should be good tomorrow. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Computer down[]

@Hellknowz: just a heads up that my computer will be offline for the foreseeable future. A CPU fan died, and my computer now doesn't POST after I changed it. It will be a few days before I can diagnose the exact issues / get new parts as I am traveling.

On the "plus" side, if my i7-4790K is fried, it's very likely I will get the new Ryzen 3900 with monster performance, especially in parallel tasks.

I am however hoping it's just a fan/faulty wiring issue. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 09:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Empty a bag of dry ice onto the motherboard. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
@Hellknowz: Fried PSU. Luckily I had a spare around. Things should resume as normal from tomorrow onwards. Still going to order a new one because I'm not comfortable with a 700W-only PSU. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

AAlertBot[]

Seems the bot has stopped on July 19 [1]. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notice. Looks like it failed to run on Headbomb's revived PC. It should run in a bit from my side. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 08:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Multiple infoboxes/categories?[]

Is it possible to set up Article alerts based on multiple infoboxes and/or talk page categories? Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life is effectively a meta-project covering all articles on biological taxa. Very few articles are tagged directly for the project, but the project talk page attracts discussions from ors interested in a variety of different kinds of organisms (which are tagged for various sub-projects). It would be helpful to have article alerts cover articles tagged for the various ToL subprojects.

Currently, article alerts for Tree of Life are largely based on the presence of {{Speciesbox}}. However, this isn't the only infobox used in relevant articles. {{Automatic taxobox}} is widely used, as is {{Taxobox}} (although articles are slowly being converted from using Taxobox to Automatic taxobox or Speciesbox). There are a few other infobox templates that are used in a small number of articles.

|talksubcategories= implies that multiple categories could be supported, but I don't see any examples on the subscription page of multiple subcategories, and it's not clear what syntax should be used if multiple categories are in fact supported. If multiple categories are supported, that could be a solution.

Category:Articles with 'species' microformats includes all the articles I'd like to see covered in Tree of Life article alerts, but it is not a talk page category. Plantdrew (talk) 20:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

There is no way to subscribe to multiple sources of the same type (i.e. 2 infoboxes). But you can however subscribe to a main category. I added the category for the subscription. It seems to work fine. 400,376 pages is a bit crazy for a project and it will slow the bot a bit, but it's probably okay. The actual number of pages in workflows is much lower. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
See also this feature request. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you Hellknowz. Headbomb, I'm not sure where else it would make sense to generalize with multiple parameter switches, but it would certainly be appropriate for Tree of Life. I do want to note that |maincategory isn't documented at Wikipedia:Article alerts/Subscribing and the plural form of |talksubcategories= implies that multiple subcategories are supported, which should be clarified if that is note the case. Plantdrew (talk) 04:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Subscriptions aren't really supposed to use main categories. The point was that project pages are tagged by a project banner. Later it turned out that task forces and certain projects don't have banners, but use categories. And some don't have a single category, only WP 1.0 categorization. Then a few projects use easily-identifiable infoboxes and some have easily-identifiable main category, especially on new articles. So those were added one at a time, but not in any sort of modular way. Adding more options gets exponentially messier and it's already near-impossible to mes with these. It's something I might do in the future, but then it would also at the cost of not implementing features and fixing bugs that have been around forever. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 07:17, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Foo/Article alerts/Archive[]

I'm not sure what purpose is served by keeping "alerts" all the way back to 2010, other than cluttering the hell out of Special:Whatlinkshere (for users and articles alike). In fact, I'd propose a maximum shelf life of 90 days. Sooner for WikiProjects of overly broad scope, such as "Years". ―cobaltcigs 13:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

The archiving as a feature was never revisited since the bot's inception. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but obviously the amount and history of these pages has gone way beyond manageable numbers. To be honest, I think it's kind of useless. I don't think anyone has ever used it for anything productive. One reason I can imagine is to see what kind of stuff has happened over time and which articles were involved in what sort of discussions and what direction the projects are taking. But that feels like a job for database/dump parsing to prepare reports with some actually meaningful metrics. And I do hear you on "what links here" clutter, especially to users. Personally, I would not miss archives if they disappeared. And I imagine no one would even notice for a long time if we just switched them off. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Personally, I find the archives useful. It's not like I use them daily, but every now and then I go "Wasn't there a discussion about... " and I'll dig up the archives. If a specific WikiProject doesn't feel the need for archives, they could always disable them / clear old entries, but by default archives are more useful than not. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article alerts/Problem entries/Old[]

Has not been updated since July 29. Thanks for your hard work. --Finngall talk 16:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, the bot is hitting page size limit after recent merge/split/AfC addition because most of the backlog is "old". I need to redo the whole reporting and "old" decision logic to get that running again. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 18:20, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Article alerts/Workflow grouping[]

Is "DYKN" really in the 'GOOD' group? I'd have figured MISC if anything. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

I guess the idea is that it's "good" enough to show on the main page; there's a review process and everything -- the better side of new or expanded pages. Could move it to MISC. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:43, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Peer review/header and Template:Peer review/heading nominated for merging[]

Template:Peer review/header has been nominated for merging with Template:Peer review/heading in this Templates for Discussion thread. I thought people here might be interested due to the bot usage warning on both templates' documentation. –Sonicwave talk 22:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice! I finally checked it out and it doesn't look like these two will have any impact on the bot. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:26, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Bot[]

Seems AAlertBot has stopped working on September 5 [2]. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:49, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notice! I ran the bot now. Looks like it actually finished the run, so the data is there, just the very last pages failed to upload. Pingalingading @Headbomb: —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:24, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Update 2: AAlertBot stopped working yesterday! Hellknowz Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:46, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for notice. I already asked Headbomb to (re)start it manually, but he hasn't gotten to it yet. I can't really run it on my end because the data files are in the "middle of a run". —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:00, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Category alert not listed for WikProject Chess[]

Category:Women's World Chess Champions was tagged for speedy renaming on 20 Sept 2019, but not listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chess/Article alerts. Full category discussions don't seem to have generated alerts there either (e.g. not Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_March_21#Category:Gambits). What's the problem, please? – Fayenatic London 21:15, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Speedy stuff is not listed in alerts by design, only CfDs with discussions. I'm afraid I can't check the other one since it's deleted. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Category:Gambits was in Category:Chess openings and Category talk:Gambits was tagged with {{WikiProject Chess}}. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. It sounds like it should have been reported, I have no idea why it wasn't. May be syntax on the page was malformed or something. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:05, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Template:TFAFULL[]

There's a message on that template page to leave a notice here if we're going to fiddle with this template. It looks like we are, based on the discussion at WT:TFA#Featured topics. If I understand right, your bot is expecting this template to be present, so I guess what I'll do is just expand the template so that it can take two parameters, on those days when the TFA has a Featured Topic. - Dank (push to talk) 02:01, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. The bot uses the template to get the page name from the dated TFA pages. I'll take a look once you make your changes and see if I need to adjust anything. I can also check for a different template(s), like {{TFAFULL2}}, I didn't even realize those existed. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 08:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
TFAFULL2 didn't exist until yesterday. When there's just one parameter, it duplicates the action of TFAFULL. I'm assuming you guys will want me to rename TFAFULL2 to TFAFULL at some point ... let me know if not. - Dank (push to talk) 12:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Less templates is probably better all around, so I would say TFAFULL can just support second parameter (i.e. move TFAFULL2 to TFAFULL). I'll update the code to use the second parameter. Feel free to do it whenever, I'll change the bot later, nothing will break meanwhile. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:19, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Templates tagged for discussion not listed for Water polo work group[]

  1. Template:2018 Asian Games water polo convenience template navbox was tagged for discussion on 16 November 2019‎, but not listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Water polo work group/Article alerts or Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Article alerts. I found that it was listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Water sports/Article alerts.
  2. Template:2018 Asian Games women's water polo round robin standings, Template:2018 Asian Games men's water polo group A standings and Template:2018 Asian Games men's water polo group B standings were all tagged for discussion on 15 November 2019‎, but not listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Water polo work group/Article alerts or Wikipedia:WikiProject Water sports/Article alerts. I found that they were all listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Article alerts.

It looks like something is wrong. These templates should have been listed in Wikipedia:WikiProject Swimming/Water polo work group/Article alerts. Can someone fix it? --Phikia (talk) 05:59, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

The templates are listed for projects that have banners/categories present on those talk pages. As far as I can see, the reports match the project tagging. If you want the pages listed under additional projects, then you need to tag the pages for those projects as per normal project tagging (banner/workgroup param). The bot won't report the pages to any other projects. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! --Phikia (talk) 01:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Missing parens[]

The bot message seems to need a closing parenthesis at the end. Jmar67 (talk) 20:50, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

It's so that it ends up looking like this in watchlists: "(BOT: Updating Article alert report: +1 AfD; +1 FfD; +1/-1 AFC; 6 entries archived) (HB/181/AR)" where the first and last parenthesis are added by the watchlist text itself. I know it's a bit silly. I might adjust it to not assume there are parenthesis. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:49, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
The last summary in my watchlist was "BOT: Updating Article alert report: No major changes; 1 entries archived) (HB/181/AR". The parens after "archived" is superfluous (did not notice this until now), and one is missing at the end. Jmar67 (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
This is what it looks like on desktop. On mobile, it will not have the parenthesis, which is probably what you are using. The parens after "archived" closes the "first" parens, which is only there on desktop version. I have never changed this since the bot's creation. At the time, ing on mobile ranged from impossible to extra cumbersome. I'll adjust it in a future update. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
The adjustment would be pretty simple. Instead of ) (, just use , . Or [HB/181/AR] even if it will close with ]). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

article links[]

The December 28 and 29 diff summaries at WP:CHIAA did not include article links.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:58, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

I suspect it has to do with what the length of the summary would have been if the links were included. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:16, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, if the summary with links exceeds the MediaWiki summary length limit, then the bot will post the summary without links. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Misreported close[]

Hi, I noticed that this update by AAlertBot lists me as the closer of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prabhat Maurya. I wasn't the actual closer, but I was the last person to the AfD page, following its blanking by a socking vandal. Spike 'em (talk) 10:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey! Usually, the bot can detect these, but something got it confused this time. I'm not really sure what, but I'll put it on the bug list. Thanks for reporting. I tried to reget the page's closure data for today's run, but it seems that didn't work. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:41, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

No update[]

Appears the bot didnt update this morning. NoahTalk 11:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@Hellknowz/Headbomb AAlertBot seems non operative for a couple of days ... at least for Computing alerts/software alerts ... likely needs a kick ... thanks.Djm-leighpark (talk)

@Hurricane Noah: @Djm-leighpark: Thanks for reporting guys, I saw the message earlier but didn't get around to responding. The bot crashed a couple days ago mid-run and so didn't run the next day either. We tried rerunning, but there were further issues. I actually just reran it today (with some duplication reported). —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:27, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Baseball FT incorrect[]

At Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Article alerts the Nashville Sounds featured topic nomination of 04 Sep 2019 subsequently failed and was not removed. It was renominated on 13 Feb 2020, but only one additional article added to the topic was reported on the alert page. NatureBoyMD (talk) 14:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I set the relevant pages for re-retrieval and the new report/data seem correct today. This happened because the nomination was never technically closed on the talk pages. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Alert for new articles from main namespace[]

Looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Article alerts. There are AfC entries at the end, and they are all 'Draft:'s. What about newly created articles in the main namespace? --Gryllida (talk) 05:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Also how do I see the complete list? I'd perhaps like to start with older entries one day. Gryllida (talk) 05:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Articles created in the mainspace don't require 'action' and aren't part of any workflow, unlike submitted Drafts, which enter WP:AFC, and require review. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:03, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Ta. Perhaps the mainspace ones require patrol? Gryllida (talk) 08:11, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Question about the older entries was about Drafts, btw. Gryllida (talk) 08:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Re: New Page Patrol. Not sure how useful it would be, but you can always make a feature request. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Also I'm not really sure what you mean by "how do I see the complete list". For AFC, all articles tagged with {{WP Australia}} are reported in the AFC section. The oldest is Draft:Nick Annas, from 21 May 2019 (the dates are a bit wonky at the moment though). Do you not see this? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, they are not chronological. Does it mean there is only 7 drafts tagged with Australia? Gryllida (talk) 08:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Done. Gryllida (talk) 08:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
They are chronological (currently by date of creation, rather than submission), with active submissions first, and resolved submissions last (the red dates ones). And yes, at the moment, 7 Drafts are tagged as relevant to WP Australia. It doesn't mean they are the only ones that exist, but those are the ones that were tagged with the {{WP Australia}} banner. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 08:29, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Now I've understood where to request the feature, and had a chance to have a more careful look at the drafts list (and also understand that it is not trimmed). Appreciate your assistance. Gryllida (talk) 00:39, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Stopped?[]

Seems that AAlert has stopped working on March 21 [3]. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:11, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for notice. The bot stopped mid-run, so @Headbomb: needs to resume it properly. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 12:19, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
I'll take a look shortly. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:53, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Templates made for stub template nominations at CfD[]

Not sure if the bot/folks care, but since {{Cfd2}}, etc. mention this project, I figured I'd let this page know that I created {{sfd-t2}} and {{sfr-t2}} for stub template nomination discussions; (somewhat) more at WT:CFD. ~ Amory (utc) 16:15, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Update for the AAlertBot[]

Seems that it stopped again, and on the same place, which is Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Article alerts [4] and [5]. So either that Article Alert thread or the one that comes after it are blocking it for some reason. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 22:00, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, there's some sort of error with... something. But I have to run it in debug mode to know what it is. I don't have time to debug it now, so I'll run/check it tomorrow. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:31, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Possible bug related to MRG?[]

Hey, just wanted to know that if there is a merge tag in one of the articles to be merged and not in the other article which it is proposed to be merged with (and both articles are under the subscription subcategory) then will the bot send an alert? Just confirming to know that the it wasn't a bug. Talking with respect to: Locomotives of India and List of diesel locomotives of India, Article alert page link. Sorry for bothering again, though --Field Marshal Aryan (talk) 08:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

The bot only uses the "outgoing" merge direction, that is {{merge to}} and ignores pages with {{merge from}}. It's assumed that both would be used and that both should have the same banners. It's not the best logic, but it's a lot of extra work to get both pages, then decide if they are correctly pointing at each other (there can be multiple targets or sources), then merge the final entry. So I've not added anything more and because it "just works" most of the time. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
Noted! Thanks --Field Marshal Aryan (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)