Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for ors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Laurent Gbagbo in 2007
Laurent Gbagbo

How to nominate an item[]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated) in UTC.
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Remember, we use UTC dates.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting ors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
  • The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page.

Please do not...[]

  • ... add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
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  • ... accuse other ors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  • ... comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  • ... oppose a WP:ITN/R item here because you disagree with current WP:ITN/R criteria (these can be discussed at the relevant Talk Page)


Suggestions[]

January 18[]

Portal:Current events/2019 January 18

Swedish government formation[]

Article: 2018 Swedish general election (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Riksdag reelects the Social Democrat Stefan Löfven as Prime Minister of Sweden

The general election wasn't in ITN because the winner wasn't obvious, but that has changed with the incumbent government getting two new backing parties and breaking the previous coalition structure. Narayanese (talk) 10:06, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

January 17[]

Portal:Current events/2019 January 17
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
  • In France, a fire at the University Lyon 1 injures three people. Investigators say that it is a result of an accidental gas bottle explosion. (Euronews)

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Haemochromatosis affects 20 times more people than previously thought[]

Article: Iron overload (talk, history)
Blurb: Haemochromatosis affects 20 times more people than previously thought
News source(s): BBC. Journal article in the BMJ
Nominator: Count Iblis (talk • give cr)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: "It was believed to seriously affect about one in 100 carriers. But the new research has suggested the true level could be closer to one in 10 among women, and one in five for men. Lead researcher Prof David Melzer said he was astonished at the findings. "We've shown that herary haemochromatosis is actually a much more common and stealth disease, including in older people," he said." Count Iblis (talk) 23:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

(Re-opened) Major explosion in Bogotá[]

Article: 2019 Bogotá car bombing (talk, history)
Blurb: ​An explosion at the General Santander National Police Academy in Bogotá, Colombia leaves at least 9 dead and dozens of injured.
Alternative blurb II: ​A car bombing in Bogotá, Colombia kills at least 10 people.
News source(s): BBC, The Independent
Nominator: SirEdimon (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: It seems that an article was not yet created, but I think it will be created in the next few hours due to the significance of the event. SirEdimon (talk)

Lol, this nomination seems a little premature if there is not even an article. Suggest writing the article first :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:34, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mary Oliver[]

Article: Mary Oliver (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NPR
Nominator: Vanamonde93 (talk • give cr)
Updater: Wiki vj20 (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: An argument could be made for a blurb, but personally I do not think her impact was high enough for that. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:57, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Chris Wilson (Australian musician)[]

Article: Chris Wilson (Australian musician) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Nominator: Dumelow (talk • give cr)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian blues musician. Date of death not known but announced today. I've added refs for the discography but the article was OK (except it needs splitting into sections) - Dumelow (talk) 10:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be much in the reports so far. Just that he had a diagnosis of cancer (I have added this) - Dumelow (talk) 13:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

January 16[]

Portal:Current events/2019 January 16
Armed conflicts and attacks

Politics and elections

RD: Jack Bogle[]

Article: John C. Bogle (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Jack Bogle, the father of the index fund and a frequent critic of the financial services industry dies at 89.
News source(s): Washington Post CNBC& etc.
Nominator: Ad Orientem (talk • give cr)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The article needs a little work, but if it can be brought up to speed this may be worth a blurb. Bogle was a giant in the world of finance and often referred to as the conscience of Wall Street. He invented the low cost index fund as an alternative to the often predatory practices of most brokerage firms. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:25, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Warren Buffet has described Bogle as probably the greatest investor he has ever known. If the standard for a blurb is that the newly deceased was more or less universally recognized as being in the top tier of their profession or calling, then I think he qualifies. Name recognition is not a criteria. That said, I agree that the article needs a little work. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
  • So that's the only criterion now. Although still seems somewhat subjective. Is that written down somewhere as guidance/ policy. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The criterion is this, from Wikipedia:In_the_news#Recent_deaths_section, and I quote "Deaths where the cause of death itself is a major story...or where the events surrounding the death merit additional explanation" are the standard criteria for the blurb. --Jayron32 18:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
  • That's ONE of the criterion. The other of which is a "major transformative world leaders in their field" which is the one the Mr. Bogle would ostensibly qualify. My take is that he is unquestionably major and transformative, but perhaps his field is too narrow. I'm a weak support on the blurb (notwithstanding quality concerns). ghost 21:57, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Zimbabwe fuel protests[]

Article: Zimbabwe fuel protests (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In Zimbabwe, eight are reported dead as people protest the government's increase in the price of fuel.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, MSN, Zimbabwe Daily
Nominator and updater: Discott (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The incident is a substantial protest since the 2017 Zimbabwean coup d'état and attempted economic reforms were implemented. As security forces are still in force on the streets keeping order and a strike called to protest the price increases enters its final day the event is assumed to still be ongoing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Discott (talkcontribs) 13:53, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

P.S. The government has shutdown the internet.[1] --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

January 15[]

Portal:Current events/2019 January 15
Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

RD: Mason Lowe[]

Article: Mason Lowe (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Nominator: Dumelow (talk • give cr)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American bull rider, crushed to death by a bull. Article looks to be in good shape - Dumelow (talk) 17:09, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Nairobi hotel attack[]

Article: 2019 Nairobi hotel attack (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least 14 people are killed in a terrorist attack within a Nairobi hotel by the militant group Al-Shabaab.
News source(s): Citizen TV, CNN, BBC
Nominator: Shadychiri (talk • give cr)
Updater: No Swan So Fine (talk • give cr)
Other updaters: Beowul116 (talk • give cr) and Lopifalko (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The incident is a substantial act of terror in Kenya since Garrisa University college attack. As the Area is cordoned off, the incident is assumed to be still ongoing until the operation is complete 22:15, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

(Posted to Ongoing) Failed Brexit Vote in UK Parliament[]

Article: Brexit (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The UK Parliament votes against the Withdrawal Agreement presented by Prime Minister Theresa May, leaving in doubt whether necessary economic agreements will be in place before the UK's withdrawal from the European Union.
Alternative blurb: ​The UK Parliament votes against the European Union Withdrawal Agreement presented by Prime Minister Theresa May, triggering a vote of confidence in her government.
Alternative blurb II: ​UK's Theresa May cabinet loses the votes about the European Union Withdrawal Agreement but survives the vote of confidence on the following day.
News source(s): NYTimes
Nominator: Masem (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is not the end of the Brexit situation, but is a significant vote that alters what will happen in the future. In addition to a "no confidence" put forth against May by the opposition party, May has to come up with alternate Withdrawal proposals by Monday, or risk that UK will leave without any trade/economic agreements in place which is threatening to harm UK's economy. Masem (t) 20:41, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Support Ongoing as the no-confidence vote was defeated. This is an ongoing news story very much in the news.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Agree. She might just scrape though tomorrow's vote. And even if she doesn't, she is not obliged to resign or call a General Election. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC) p.s. 325 to 306 was a bit of a scrape. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Suggested alt-blurb in box. Still not great... Moscow Mule (talk) 00:09, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, the vote was 432 against and 202 in support of the deal, which was the largest majority against a United Kingdom government ever. Surprised this is not in the proposed blurb. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • True, which is certainly a better blurb, but on reflection I still think Ongoing is better for now - there will be more of this to rumble on over the next 11+ weeks (or even longer) that will be more newsworthy than a parliamentary voting record. - SchroCat (talk) 09:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm glad you have a crystal ball - Brexit is only one possible outcome, whether she wins or loses! - SchroCat (talk) 09:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Brexit has been going on for years. The assumption is that it is going to happen unless a clear, specific event occurs (like a second referendum) to forestall it. The U.S. government shutdown is completely unpredictable and no one knows what is going to happen with it, it's unprecedented in terms of length, and it's having a significant and ongoing impact.--WaltCip (talk) 16:54, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Have we got a Brexit vs US Govt Shutdown competition now? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
  • And Voyager wasn't even asked to pay €25.4 billion as an exit fee. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:04, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Historic in a general or global sense. However significant for near-term UK politics, its real-world effect is negligible and the Brexit vote doesn't qualify. If one takes the long view of British democracy's long history, it's a minor event. – Sca (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Oh, definitely historic in a parochial sense. Like a minor league baseball record or something. You'll note a significant number of people (some of us from the UK) are opposing this nomination. I think we have a clue. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Since May is said likely to survive today's no-confidence pageant, I could see sticking this in Ongoing until something consequential happens. Sca (talk) 18:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Sure, Ongoing is the only viable place for it right now, but be prepared for it to sit there until late-March, possibly later, as these kinds of blips will be taking place between now and then. Is that what we really want, a Brexit note for 2+ months? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Ongoing for now. If nothing of consequence occurs in a reasonable time frame, kill it. Sca (talk) 02:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Laurent Gbagbo acquitted of crimes against humanity[]

Article: Laurent Gbagbo (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Former President of Ivory Coast Laurent Gbagbo is acquitted of crimes against humanity by the International Criminal Court
News source(s): The Guardian
Nominator: Dumelow (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: I know we don't often post acquittals but this is a pretty big case and has been described as a big blow for the ICC, especially as the judges halted the trial early and found the prosecution had not provided sufficient evidence. Worth a discussion, I think - Dumelow (talk) 18:52, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

RD: Carol Channing[]

Article: Carol Channing (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NYT
Nominator: WaltCip (talk • give cr)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned Broadway star, passed away at 97 years old. WaltCip (talk) 12:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

January 14[]

Portal:Current events/2019 January 14
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections
  • Over 31,000 teachers, nurses, counselors and librarians in Los Angeles, who have been without a contract for more than a year, go on a strike to demand higher pay after negotiations for improved compensation and work conditions failed. (CBS News) (Al Jazeera)

(Posted blurb) Paweł Adamowicz[]

Article: Paweł Adamowicz (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Mayor of Gdańsk Paweł Adamowicz dies after being stabbed on stage at a charity concert.
News source(s): The Guardian
Nominator: Ammarpad (talk • give cr)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Polish politician stabbed to death, the article is short though. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:06, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Saha Airlines Boeing 707 crash[]

Article: 2019 Saha Airlines Boeing 707 crash (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Sixteen people are killed when a Boeing 707 of Saha Airlines crashes on landing at Fath Air Base, Iran.
News source(s): (Tehran Times), (BBC News)
Nominator: Mjroots (talk • give cr)

Article updated

 Mjroots (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

January 13[]

Portal:Current events/2019 January 13
Armed conflicts and attacks
  • Syrian Civil War
    • The Syrian government and pro-government militants fire artillery into villages inside the Idlib de-escalation zone, killing one civilian and leaving two civilians injured. (AA)

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Mel Stottlemyre[]

Article: Mel Stottlemyre (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): USA Today
Nominator: Muboshgu (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a little more sourcing, but I can get it there tonight. Should be good now. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Extradition of Cesare Battisti[]

Consensus will not develop to post this. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:36, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further s should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Cesare Battisti (born 1954) (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Far-left terrorist Cesare Battisti (pictured) is extradited to his homeland Italy after his capture in Bolivia.
News source(s): Avvenire ABC
Nominator: ArionEstar (talk • give cr)
Nominator's comments: Notorious fugitive. Sentenced to life imprisonment since 1995. ArionEstar (talk) 12:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Plenty of issues - including referencing, updating ("Italy plans to appeal") and POV ("expiate his sentence") - but I'm going to oppose on significance. Good faith due to the long fight, but I don't think extradition itself is ever be important enough to post (outside of a head of state). ghost 12:36, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – On notability, significance. (In rare cases, extradition could be worth a blurb – that of Julian Assange, for a hypothetical example.)Sca (talk) 14:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Just the fact that (Born 1954) has to be added to the article name shows that notability is in question. Good faith, but there's not a snowball's chance of this getting posted. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 15:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Support. Important, finally the world has started to realize the radical left's danger, probably plenty more to come. Openlydialectic (talk) 16:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Openlydialectic I don't get it. Do you support it or oppose it?--SirEdimon (talk) 17:32, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Phil Masinga[]

Article: Phil Masinga (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC Guardian
Nominator: Black Kite (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: International footballer, I've tidied it up and cited it, I think it's acceptable now. Black Kite (talk) 11:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

January 12[]

Portal:Current events/2019 January 12
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Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Patricia Wald[]

Article: Patricia Wald (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): washington post
Nominator: DannyS712 (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American judge DannyS712 (talk) 17:42, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

  • Yeah, that's poor. I've cited two of them and the other three sentences weren't really relevant to her, so I've removed them. All sourced now. Black Kite (talk) 18:01, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

January 11[]

Portal:Current events/2019 January 11
Armed conflict and attacks
  • Two Iraqis were killed and 25 others were injured in a car bomb blast outside a public market in the town of Al-Qaim. The Islamic State is presumed to be behind the attack. (TheDailyStar)
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Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Georgy Brady[]

Article: George Brady (Holocaust survivor) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): czeck radio
Nominator: DannyS712 (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Holocaust survivor DannyS712 (talk) 17:42, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Meera Sanyal[]

Normally, this would be stale to post. I'm not sure about reposting something that is pulled, so I'll just withdraw as the original nominator. (non-admin closure) --DannyS712 (talk) 18:44, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Meera Sanyal (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [2]
Nominator: DannyS712 (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian banker turned politician DannyS712 (talk) 17:53, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • plus Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:30, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose The article has a promotional tone without sufficient secondary sources to back it up. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above, sources and tone are dubious. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:56, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Removed; reposting to RD depends on article improvements per above. SpencerT•C 21:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose This article relies heavily on primary sources. Also, the tone is questionable at best. ―Susmuffin Talk 18:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) Acting Presidency of Juan Guaidó[]

Proposed image
Article: 2019 Venezuelan Presidential crisis (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In an ongoing Venezuelan Presidential crisis, Juan Guaidó (pictured) and the National Assembly prepare to usurp start to take rule try to take over from the incumbent Nicolás Maduro.
Alternative blurb: ​In an ongoing Venezuelan Presidential crisis, Juan Guaidó (pictured) and the National Assembly declare incumbent Nicolás Maduro "illegitimate" and start the process of attempting to remove him.
News source(s): The Guardian, Venezuelan Assembly
Nominator and updater: Kingsif (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Kind of a coup, but not being called a coup because everyone thinks it's legitimate... Kingsif (talk) 22:07, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

  • His speech said he was ready, then the NA press release says "the president of the National Assembly, deputy Juan Guaidó, assumed the powers of the Presidency of the Republic". Very specifically "assumed", as in, already did it. Kingsif (talk) 22:00, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • This suggests tons of miscommunication going on here. And this suggests that for Guaido to take up the presidency, they have to have the military backing to knock Maduro out so that Guaido can step in. --Masem (t) 22:05, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm going to assume the press release of the National Assembly of Venezuela knows a bit more about its leader than the Miami Herald does. Honestly, I did not think it would happen this immediately, but it seems to have done. (I've read the Caracas Chronicles piece, and yeah, it shows confusion, it's trying to interpret the words of Guaidó at the rally where he says a leader needs more than just saying he's leader. No matter what he meant, I think the later press release overwhelms any confusion.) Kingsif (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I cannot access the press release but I am going to assume it is in Spanish based on the link title. If that is the case, we need absolutely assurance on the translation, which I haven't seen yet in news. --Masem (t) 22:23, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Here's a more recent report that suggests that the National Assembly is working a plan to transition the govt in a few weeks (by pleading to military offices to defect to their side), suggesting they have yet to put Gauido in office. --Masem (t) 22:26, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • They seem to be operating on "assumed Presidency, now we're working on kicking out the guy who won't leave". And, for your checks, the original text from the press release is "el presidente de la Asamblea Nacional, diputado Juan Guaidó, asumió las competencias de la Presidencia de la República" — asumió is a preterite ("actions completed in the past") form of asumir (to assume) [3]. Absolute assurance. Kingsif (talk) 22:31, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Now I can see the press release (your second source above, I presume) but do not see anything of that quoted Spanish language in there. Google Translate doesn't given anything of the impression that the NA has made the assumption Guaido is president, only that they want him to be president in the next few weeks as they build up support. --Masem (t) 22:36, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I just reopened the page. Yes, it has changed. That's strange -- the older version with my quoted text says 5:48pm, which is just over an hour ago. Both Guaidó's statements and the closing paragraph of the new version still say "Guaidó is legitimate and recognized as President, but we need to stage a coup before he can actually fulfill that role" Kingsif (talk) 22:54, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • That's the impression I get off a Google translate too, and more in line with how English news sources are reporting this. The NA is presenting Guaido as whom they want to put in as president once they can oust Maduro, hoping that helps to draw some military support to support a coup. Because this appears to be happening over a few weeks this might make this more a ongoing story. But I would also add that we are starting to see protests/rallys (100s to 1000s, but not large yet) in protest, so that may be part of a larger story. --Masem (t) 23:02, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Venezuelan here. The main problem is the conflict between a de facto and a de jure presidency, and which one is it. Some argue that Guaidó assumed the presidency, and the OAS Secretary General recognized him as such, but others don't. In any case, I support a blurb about the new since it is noteworthy. --Jamez42 (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Propose a better one? Kingsif (talk) 23:02, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • A good blurb should mention both Maduro and Guaido and their conflicting appointments. As written, it sounds as if the crisis was over and Guaido will be ruling from now on, which is hardly the actual case. Cambalachero (talk) 00:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • The issue with that is "prepare" is just begging to be told Wait, when they've made the biggest move in the last decade of crisis already, so I've tweaked it into Alt4 without changing the "not quite President yet"-ness. Kingsif (talk) 06:03, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, but I've reworded the new blurb, as 'start to take rule' is bad English (at least where I come from). But other wording such as 'begin to try to remove the incumbent Nicholas Maduro' may perhaps better convey the original intended meaning (though I'm not sure of what exactly that was). Tlhslobus (talk) 15:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
In both blurb and altblurb1 'President' may perhaps also be preferable to 'the incumbent' (which may make some readers ask 'incumbent what?').Tlhslobus (talk) 16:40, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
"presidential crisis" probably makes it clear. Kingsif (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

(Posted to RD) Michael Atiyah[]

Article: Michael Atiyah (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Sir Michael Francis Atiyah, a mathematician and the winner of both the Fields Medal and Abel Prize, dies at the age of 89.
News source(s): oxford university
Nominator: DannyS712 (talk • give cr)

Article updated

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 DannyS712 (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

I certainly wouldn't oppose a blurb either Spiderone 16:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. Davey2116 (talk) 22:56, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • But the ITNRD guidelines say "major transformative world leaders in their field" qualify for a blurb. There's no question that Atiyah was hugely transformative in his field (which is not by any means a narrow one). Davey2116 (talk) 03:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • This really isn't a valid !oppose since the "Mandela/Thatcher/Bowie standard" is not policy. Davey2116 (talk) 16:19, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Macedonia renaming[]

Renominate when finalized; no consensus to post at this time. SpencerT•C 04:58, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Macedonia naming dispute (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Assembly of the Republic of Macedonia approves a constitutional change for the new name of the country, the Republic of North Macedonia.
News source(s): AP, Bloomberg
Nominator: Brandmeister (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: While I'm not 100% sure it's the right time, this looks like a very significant development in the country's naming dispute. The target article is oversized, however, with minimal update. Brandmeistertalk 19:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Support pending updatesOppose Not yet ratified (that will be in the next few weeks) according to the AP. (Noting that a previous ITNC nom suggested waiting until it is official). --Masem (t) 19:36, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
I read the AP as saying the full deal (where Greece supports EU membership) isn't approved, but the name change is approved. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:02, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
My bad, you are right, its the deal with Greece still needed ratification, the naming needing to be done before Greece seemed ready to talk. --Masem (t) 20:10, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
But now it looks like sources say your initial read was correct: Macedonia will start using it only after the parliament in Athens also ratifies the agreement. The Guardian. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:17, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - Historic decision.BabbaQ (talk) 00:40, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait - This has been a very slow-moving process (people at the Macedonia talk page archives have been trying to rename the page to North Macedonia since last June) and while this is absolutely a major step in the process, it's not done just yet. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 04:27, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait - We seemingly need to see formal Greek approval first (and the Greek Government has seemingly just lost its majority in Parliament). Tlhslobus (talk) 09:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment- Re article quality, I fail to see any explanation in the article as to why the new name is an improvement (as distinct from a logical disimprovement that is being welcomed for other short-term reasons). Perhaps there are no reliable sources to explain this (possibly because it makes little or no sense to add a longer name, and one that logically implies that Northern Macedonia should try to reunite with the rest of Macedonia, which is seemingly at least partly why the Greeks objected to the old name in the first place, only the new name seems to make that problem worse). I suspect I may not be the only reader who is thus a bit confused and dissatisfied with article quality.Tlhslobus (talk) 09:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't understand [tha name] logically implies that Northern Macedonia should try to reunite with the rest of Macedonia at all. Are you suggesting that South Africa considers itself just temporarily separated from the rest of Africa, or that North Carolina secretly dreams of its troops one day marching triumphantly into Charleston? ‑ Iridescent 10:32, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait - most likely but it wont be just this article that would need to be changed. In the past because this area about the 'name' had attracted controversies, after much discussion a WP:MOSMAC decided on a naming convention and for now that is in force until a new one is done etc.Resnjari (talk) 10:26, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Process evidently not complete; broader significance debatable. Ongoing at best. Sca (talk) 13:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Support how long are we going to wait for? This has passed several milestones already. Banedon (talk) 22:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose the article is maintenance tagged, and the rename hasn't actually happened. Nothing to report. Patently clear that this is not something an encyclopaedia should be promoting at this stage. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:41, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

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