Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for ors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

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How to nominate an item[]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated) in UTC.
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Remember, we use UTC dates.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting ors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
  • The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page.

Please do not...[]

  • ... add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  • ... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  • ... accuse other ors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  • ... comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  • ... oppose a WP:ITN/R item here because you disagree with current WP:ITN/R criteria (these can be discussed at the relevant Talk Page)

Suggestions[]

September 17[]


September 16[]

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(Closed) Lotus Tower[]

Closed per consensus for oppose. MSN12102001 (talk) 13:19, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Lotus Tower (talk, history)
Blurb: Lotus Tower becomes the tallest tower in South Asia with an height of 350m
Nominator's comments: The tower is also the 11th tallest in Asia and 19th tallest tower in the world Abishe (talk) 12:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose. No news sources have been provided to show that this is in the news. I also don't think the tallest structure in a particular region is notable enough, especially when it is the 19th tallest tower. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose 19th tallest in the world is far too low on the notability scale to be ITN Worthy, this would be more fitting on The Current Events portal. 173.128.225.139 (talk) 12:27, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Strongly oppose. But this is clearly a potential DYK! MSN12102001 (talk) 13:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. I am really sorry and I take the blame for my blunder. I knew this should have only be nominated to DYN instead of ITN. I also didn't get the support from foreign sources. Abishe (talk) 13:16, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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September 15[]

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(Closed) Purdue Pharma[]

Closed per consensus for oppose. MSN12102001 (talk) 19:12, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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Articles: Purdue Pharma (talk, history) and Opioid epidemic in the United States (talk, history)
Blurb: ​American pharmaceutical company Purdue Pharma files for bankruptcy following lawsuits around its role in the U.S. opioid epidemic.
Alternative blurb: ​American pharmaceutical company Purdue Pharma, the manufacturer of oxycodone, files for bankruptcy following lawsuits around its role in the U.S. opioid epidemic.
News source(s): WaPo

Both articles need updating
Nominator's comments: Purdue Pharma is the multi-billion-dollar company best known as the manufacturer of OxyContin; this bankruptcy filing "is expected to trigger the ultimate demise of the company". Articles need updating. Davey2116 (talk) 03:28, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak support - The cases against Purdue Pharma and their involvement in the opiod crisis is significant to be ITN-worthy, but the situation makes it hard to find where the right point is for that ITN moment given there's multiple suits going on, that this bankruptcy falls after some of the states have reached a settlement with Purdue, and now there's the word about the company trying to shift $1B to international accounts. There could be a more "serious" point in the future, where there could be criminal charges or the like. But in lieu of knowing how those chips will lie, this seems like a significant moment for this story. Obviously, updates before posting need to be in place. --Masem (t) 04:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Conditional Support original blurb pending updates and serious review. The above makes a very good case for posting. I suggest that Purdue be the only bold link in the blurb, considering that the impetus for posting is their bankruptcy. Purdue's page is very highly weighted towards their role in the opioid epidemic, and someone with more pharmaceutical knowledge than me should determine if that weight is due. The opioid epidemic page is not yet updated. Unlike J&J or Insys (other co's sued and fined for the epidemic), Purdue is at least pro forma bankrupt and was the original developer of the most damaging of the drugs of the epidemic.130.233.3.134 (talk) 08:28, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Chapter 11 provides protection from crors and is the usual way that US companies survive such difficulties, rather than going out of business. What's happening here is corporate restructuring along with lots of lawsuits and the matter will be ongoing for years. If you look at a source like CDC, you can see that prescription opiods were a 1990s issue while, two waves later, the issue is now powerful synthetics like fentanyl. People have been using and abusing opiods for centuries and an ITN blurb is not a good place to summarise this complex topic. Andrew D. (talk) 10:19, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Your description of Ch.11 is not correct. Ch.11 as a means to escape legal liabilities is a "contentious" thing, to put it lightly, and any bankruptcy judge who thought that the filing was motivated by such (as opposed to regular business losses) would not grant it, or would force a Ch.7 with assets going to a trust to pays out to petitioners. The precise substance that is en vouge at this exact moment doesn't change the fact that dozens of people are killed by this drugmaker's product every day, more than all gun deaths combined. The product and company in question were the market-makers of the opioid epidemic and, just because there are other players now doesn't decrease their significance; it increases it rather. Whether the updates are suitably thorough is a separate question, but to describe this bankruptcy as "usual" and the effects of the drug as not an "issue" is factually wrong.130.233.3.134 (talk) 12:16, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I do consider the concern that Chap 11 to avoid/reduce settlement costs is a key tactic here, but again, the whole mess on Purdue and opoids is ITN-worthy, but there's hard to say where there's a proper point to post it knowing the legal cases out there now. This is the one point that summarizes the results of several trials into one. --Masem (t) 14:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose The part of this article on the bankruptcy of the company, which in my mind is the event being cited in this ITN nomination, is only a single sentence and needs major expansion ~mike_gigs talkcontribs 11:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose - This filing and settlement is going to be challenged by 26 states. There's a whole legal brouhaha that will take ages to get sorted out. Nothing is set in stone yet.--WaltCip (talk) 12:17, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Ch. 11, etc. Filing a civil suit is not proof of culpability. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 17:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 19:12, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Ric Ocasek[]

Article: Ric Ocasek (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NBC New York

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Lead singer of the Cars. Some referencing gaps, just needs a bit of work. Spengouli (talk) 00:28, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I believe I have cleaned up all remaining citation gaps. Beatleswhobeachboys (talk) 03:45, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Posting – Muboshgu (talk) 04:07, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

2019 Ashes series[]

Article: 2019 Ashes series (talk, history)
Blurb: Australia retains the Ashes after drawing the 2019 Ashes series with England
Alternative blurb: ​In Test cricket, the Ashes series is drawn, so Australia retain the trophy
Alternative blurb II: ​In Test cricket, the Ashes series concludes with Australia retaining the Ashes following a drawn series against England
News source(s): SMH

Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: ITNR article about the recently concluded 2019 Ashes Series Chrisclear (talk) 17:57, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I preferred my way around, because the result is a draw, which leads to a retention of the trophy. The retention is secondary to the draw. Modest Genius talk 12:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Australian here, we also say "Australia retain the Ashes" - don't know why you'd think we use American grammar. But agree it should be reworded to avoid confusing US English speakers. -dmmaus (talk) 22:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
"I think we all could have predicted this turnout." Really? I'm an avid fan, and I certainly couldn't have. And you clearly don't appreciate the significance of The Ashes, even outside the countries directly participating but within the cricketing world. I don't find comments like yours helpful. (Even though you are right about the missing content. But others had already said that.) HiLo48 (talk) 00:03, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Jesus Christ, HiLo. I was making a joke, as I thought my reference to a Douglas Adams book would have indicated. Calm down.--WaltCip (talk) 01:01, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

RD: Rudi Gutendorf:[]

Article: Rudi Gutendorf (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC,

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Rudi Gutendorf,has coached 55 teams in 32 countries across five continents which is a record. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup[]

Article: 2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup Final (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The FIBA Basketball World Cup concludes with Spain defeating Argentina in the final.

Article updated

Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: The article has been updated.

  • Haha, there might not be any Spanish-speaking countries involved but you might want to look at the global viewing figures for the Cricket World Cup :) Black Kite (talk) 21:17, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
*Yes, "biggest" was a foolish claim there. And looking at List of International Cricket Council members#Associate Members I see Spain itself, plus several other Spanish speaking nations. Not likely contenders for the World Cup at this stage perhaps, but eligible. HiLo48 (talk) 04:43, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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All-Ireland Senior Football Championship[]

Article: 2019 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In Gaelic Football, Dublin beat Kerry 1-18 to 0-15 in the All Ireland Final replay to become the first male team in GAA history to win 5 All-Ireland titles in a row.
Alternative blurb: ​In Gaelic football, Dublin beat Kerry 1–18 to 0–15 in the All Ireland Final.
Alternative blurb II: ​In Gaelic football, the All-Ireland Championship concludes with Dublin defeating Kerry in the final.
News source(s): RTE

Nominated event is listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: Wait until if and when the article is properly updated - it has now at least arguably been technically updated, but it still has a very long way to go before reaching the standards expected for ITN. (Also my apologies for any arguably systemic sexism probably inevitably associated with all this - the assumption everywhere that the players are male, the fact that only the men's final is ITNR, and so on; if anybody wants to try to do anything about this, such as suitably rewording the blurb or altblurb, please feel free to try; meanwhile as a starter I've now added See Also links between 2019 men's and women's finals, citing WP:BIAS, the needs of this nom, and existing practice in the (GAA-related) Australian International Rules articles; I've now also amended the blurb as somebody at the article has pointed out that 5-in-a-row is only a record for male teams). Tlhslobus (talk) 19:24, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Abqaiq-Khurais attack[]

Article: 2019 Abqaiq-Khurais attack (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Drone attacks have set alight two major oil facilities run by the state-owned company Aramco in Saudi Arabia, state media say.
Alternative blurb: Drone attacks on two major Saudi Arabia oil facilities by the Houthi lead the Saudis to halt half of their oil production.
News source(s): BBC, AP, AFP, Guardian, Reuters, Bloomberg

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article short but referenced. Impact on oil price will depend on just how extensive the damage is Sherenk1 (talk) 14:14, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Rather than "the Saudis," etc., how about "lead Saudi Arabia to cut half its oil production" – ?? (Keep in mind we don't know how long this will last.) – Sca (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Posted. El_C 23:17, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
  • By all means, feel free to still do so. El_C 23:35, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oh sure, I'm just noting - the article in the original state was not great in length, but by the time you posted, I believe I got the bulk of the changes I made in. --Masem (t) 00:40, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Who knows? Saudi Arabia seems to be an opaque society politically. Sca (talk) 20:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Bloomberg's "Oil Prices Jump Most on Record" added to sources above. – Sca (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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RD: Bavelile Hlongwa[]

Article: Bavelile Hlongwa (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): News24, IOL, EWN

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Start Class article. Deputy Minister Hlongwa died in a car accident, while trying to assist people that were involved in a previous accident. LefcentrerightTalk 13:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

@Spencer: I have expanded the paragraph regarding her appointment to Parliament and the National Cabinet. Unfortunately, Hlongwa was a "new" politician, so there is not much info on her time as a Member of Parliament and Deputy Minister. Despite the lack of political experience, she was a well-known name in the chemical engineering industry here in South Africa. LefcentrerightTalk 13:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Paul Cronin[]

Article: Paul Cronin (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): ABC

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article. Sourcing needs some work. has been improved after a team effort by multiple ors. DBigXray 06:52, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

ATTENTION!! ATTENTION!! ATTENTION!! I know this isn't someone important in Wikipedia's biased world, like an American college basketball hero, but a whole bunch of people have worked hard on this article. Can someone who can do something about this PLEASE pay some attention, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (And can we please do something long term about the fact that work like what has been done here gets ignored so easily by the mass of people running this area?) HiLo48 (talk) 22:07, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Woah, no need to WP:SHOUT. Your !vote is enough; RDs tend not to need more than a few supporting comments before they get posted.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 23:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
No need to shout? Really? It's now almost a day since the item, IMHO, was ready to post. So how do we get it posted? (See earlier comment about an American college basketball hero.) This place does not work well at all. HiLo48 (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Okay, wow. Have you ever heard that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar? Or that you should put "(Ready)" in the subject header line in front of "RD: Paul Cronin" to easily denote to admins scanning the table of contents that the article is ready? Your comments are wholly inappropriate and almost made me pass by without doing anything. I'll post it now because it is ready and I'm not trying to make a WP:POINT about your behavior. But don't ever pull something like this again. I won't be so nice the next time. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:00, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't follow perfectly correct procedure. I spend very little time here these days because of the arrogant attitude of too many of the owners (and I use that word deliberately) so I don't know all the rules. I only pop up when I know there's something genuinely worth following up, and always find it difficult to get those owners out of their little insular bubbles, and to actually look at items from cultures they know nothing about. HiLo48 (talk) 02:14, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
HiLo48, wow, great apology. That and your below comment make me regret posting this. If you can't be WP:CIVIL on this part of Wikipedia, maybe don't be on this part of Wikipedia. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:24, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
For twenty-two and a half hours? I really don't believe it would take that long for an American college basketball hero, completely unknown outside that country, to be posted. And nobody forces anyone to become an Admnin. I shall add this to my large list of examples of Wikipedia's inherent biases. HiLo48 (talk) 02:21, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

RD: György Konrád[]

Article: György Konrád (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The New York Times

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

 Gumruch (talk) 20:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Eddie Money[]

Article: Eddie Money (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Variety

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

 Masem (t) 14:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Texas Lawmaker Briscoe Cain issues death threat to Beto O’Rourke[]

Closing per WP:SNOW. This has no chance of being posted. Politicans threaten each other every day, everywhere. 331dot (talk) 14:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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Articles: Beto O'Rourke 2020 presidential campaign (talk, history) and Briscoe Cain (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Texas Lawmaker Briscoe Cain issues death threat to Beto O’Rourke
News source(s): Slate

Second article updated, first needs updating
 Count Iblis (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Are you serious? You can't be serious.--WaltCip (talk) 14:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Nope. --Masem (t) 14:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose for obvious reasons ~mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:51, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Frederic Pryor[]

Article: Frederic Pryor (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): New York Times

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died Sept. 2, but just reported recently. Neutralitytalk 13:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Spencer, can we get this added? This has been lingering a few days with no opposition. Neutralitytalk 04:05, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

(Pulled blurb) RD: ʻAkilisi Pōhiva[]

Proposed image
Article: ʻAkilisi Pōhiva (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Incumbent Tongan prime minister ʻAkilisi Pōhiva (pictured) dies aged 78.
News source(s): Radio New Zealand France 24 ABC.au

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tonga incumbent PM I'm not sure whether or not he deserves a blurb being an Incumbent PM, up to you Sirs/Ladies. --CoryGlee (talk) 00:33, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  • May I suggest using his photo at the front page. Mugabe has been there for a while.BabbaQ (talk) 09:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Posting in a moment. Needed to wait for its protection. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • That's why I said "in all but name". There are very few (if any) cases where a change in head of government is not notable enough for ITN. Davey2116 (talk) 19:26, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Heads of state & government usually are very important to their own countries, but that doesn't make them important to the world. AP was of no major relevance even to the rest of Oceania, let alone the world; the vast majority of people haven't even heard of him. RM was a hate figure rather than an important world leader. Jim Michael (talk) 02:29, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
"The vast majority of people haven't even heard of him" is not a reason to not post this. This isn't a popularity contest- and maybe people would learn something that they didn't know before. 331dot (talk) 10:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
What makes you think that we have a policy of routinely posting blurbs for deaths of heads of state? We've not done so for the large majority of deaths of heads of state (& heads of government). Jim Michael (talk) 02:29, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
I am not sure where you are getting the idea that there is "established procedure" on this issue, perhaps you could link me to this specific policy or procedure? Nothing in the "Recent deaths" policy states that we must post the death of every incumbent head of state or head of government - in fact it encourages discussion, and makes note that only "transformational world leaders" should get blurbs in their own right. Colipon+(Talk) 03:33, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
His blurb had a picture for Christ's sakes. Why is ITN so bloody fickle to post a blurb with a picture and then pull it down days later because some people got mad?--WaltCip (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
The blurb was posted too quickly; people objected, therefore there was no consensus and it was rightly pulled. That's how ITN works.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
The blurb was posted without a real consensus, for the natural death of an elderly, insufficiently notable person. The mistake was posting the blurb. Removing it was the correct action to remedy that. Reinstating it would be repeating the error. Many far more notable politicians' deaths weren't given blurbs. Jim Michael (talk) 21:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Jim Michael Before I posted it, there was only one oppose blurb comment, the rest were in favor, so I respectfully disagree that there was no "real consensus". Yes, the consensus changed, and that's okay with me, but to say there wasn't one initially is incorrect. This wasn't just the death of a "politician", but of a sitting head of state. If there have been other deaths of heads of state or politicians that you feel merit blurbs, please propose them; we can only consider what is nominated. 331dot (talk) 12:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
I meant that the discussion was insufficient in length and time before it was posted, rather than that there were many objections (which I acknowledge there weren't). I know what position he was in, but it was of a very small country. The only way it would be justified in giving a blurb to him is if we were to give a blurb about the death of every (sitting) head of state or government, which we don't do. I'm not saying that other heads of state/government should have been given blurbs who weren't - I'm saying that there were others who were closer to being deserving of one than him. Jim Michael (talk) 13:37, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
The I await your nomination of them. There is no arbitrary minimum discussion time for a nomination (which has been suggested and failed many times). 331dot (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
In fact, there have often been complaints (usually from TRM) that we're not posting ready items fast enough. Stephen Hawking's death went up FIFTEEN MINUTES after being nominated.--WaltCip (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
So we should be biased towards heavily populated countries? It isn't Tonga's fault they have a small population(and not too many more could fit there anyway) and are not powerful. Once reason general elections are ITNR is it gives all nations big and small a shot at making it to the ITN box. What is the harm here in other people actually learning something that they might not have been aware of before, such as about this man? The argument seems to be that it is bad for people to learn about this. 331dot (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
This, to me at least, is not about trivializing Tonga, or smaller states. Rather, I am really puzzled by why we, as an encyclopedia ascribe such topical obsession with contemporary political power, whether it is posting the results of the latest parliamentary elections, or blurb'ing deaths of heads of state or government. The notion that any sovereign state passes the test for notability in these types of ITN discussions do not pass the muster of fundamental adherence to consensus; therefore, I'm inclined to believe consensus does not actually exist in both areas. Editors who believe there is consensus on the "sovereign state standard" ought to provide proof that such a discussion took place and consensus has been established. Colipon+(Talk) 17:43, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
@331dot: "So we should be biased towards heavily populated countries?" Being unbiased doesn't mean giving equal coverage. Some administrative units are larger than others; their leaders naturally have a larger impact, on the world as a whole, than others. We make an exception for elections in ITN/R, but it is an exception that proves the rule; virtually every sub-national event, or event based in a specific country, is from a handful of large countries. We can question which events we post, and we should, because we do have a problem with systemic bias, but the answer to that bias isn't numerical parity between countries. A perfect encyclopedia still isn't going to give Tongan topics as much space as, for instance, Indonesian topics; there's less to write about, and that's not a moral judgement, but a statistical one. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

September 11[]

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Daniel Johnston[]

Article: Daniel Johnston (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): NYT Rolling Stone

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Cult US musician. Quite well sourced but has a few gaps. Well sourced now. Black Kite (talk) 21:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) K2-18b[]

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Article: K2-18b (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Astronomers detect water in the atmosphere of the exoplanet K2-18b (artist's impression pictured), the first such detection for a planet in the habitable zone around a star.
News source(s): BBC, Science, Nature Astronomy (peer reviewed paper)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I'd be extremely surprised if more news coverage doesn't follow within hours. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:37, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Support Article has since been improved greatly. NoahTalk 00:46, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
"Niche audience" is the worst argument you could use here. It could apply to many sporting events, or the politics of many countries, or many music genres. HiLo48 (talk) 22:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh? Would you prefer a small, specialized audience? Or would that be second-worst? – Sca (talk) 14:03, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
@Sca: Equally poor because you have not identified what you believe to be the only interested audience. — MarkH21 (talk) 21:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
The NatGeo source in the article [1] talks of both studies. There's a tad bit of confusion of the mainstream sources as both papers were published today, and some sources, like the above BBC, is missing one of the studies. But there's definitely no issue that event the pre-print is considered appropriate and scientifically sound - both ESA and NASA have presented news of both papers. --Masem (t) 02:27, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
You can also rely on the published Nature Astronomy paper as the primary ref. With that existing reference, the claim in the ITN does not depend whatsoever on the arXiv preprint and the only claim in the article that depends on it is that two teams of researchers announced the result instead of one. — MarkH21 (talk) 02:47, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
I have no issue with using published references that discuss an unpublished study, but the unpublished study itself should not be used as a reference. I replaced the preprint citation by a reference to a published ScienceNews story that discusses both studies, and have moved the preprint itself to external links. Nsk92 (talk) 02:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
I've added a statement about this in the body of the article giving examples of non-HZ planets with water. Fdfexoex (talk) 23:14, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Also added the statement in the body w/ sourcing as well as some clarification of "bad science reporting" (that this is a life-supporting planet, for example) but why this is still important. --Masem (t) 23:21, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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Let me know when the next faster-than-the-speed-of-light spaceship leaves for K2-18b. – Sca (talk) 12:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Why do you think they're rushing Area 51? --Masem (t) 14:30, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Cuz that's where the ultra-secret faster-than-the-speed-of-light spaceships blast off from? – Sca (talk) 15:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
No, that's clearly just Fake News, and it's clearly also really disgraceful that we keep posting new discoveries about evolution when there's no proof that Area 51 has a time machine to enable us to travel back then to have a closer look at them. Tlhslobus (talk) 19:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

(Removed) Hurricane Dorian: removal[]

Article: Hurricane Dorian (talk, history)
Ongoing item removal
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Hurricane has dissipated as of 9/10/19. While cleanup is ongoing, the article is for the hurricane itself and since it has ended I think we should remove this article from ongoing ~mike_gigstalk 15:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) UK parliament prorogation ruled unlawful[]

Closed per consensus for wait/oppose. NoahTalk 19:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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Article: Prorogation in the United Kingdom (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Court of Session in Scotland rules that the prorogation of the UK parliament by Prime Minister Boris Johnson was unlawful
News source(s): BBC News

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Despite appearing to be legal arcana (which is why it is not appearing much in the news outside the UK), this is actually a highly significant event. The ultimate ruling will be made by the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom on 17 September, and that decision may be the one that is more suited to ITN, but am nominating this article and news item now for two reasons: (1) It is significant in itself (see Why the Scottish court ruling on proroguing Parliament is significant); and (2) Boris Johnson may be forced to recall parliament anyway to avoid being forced to later, so the ruling next week may not be in the news as much as the one this week. There may be other Brexit-related events coming up, so it is worth considering what the bar should be for an item to get a blurb (Brexit is currently in ongoing), possibly only whatever happens (or doesn't happen) on 31 October. Carcharoth (talk) 12:39, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait. The important decision will be by the Supreme Court on the combined cases next week (English judges came to the opposite conclusion in a parallel case, whilst the equivalent case in Northern Ireland is ongoing). We didn't post the prorogation itself, and Brexit is already in the 'ongoing' section. Iff the Supreme Court rules that parliament must be recalled, this could be a significant constitutional event with long-term impact. But if they overrule the Scots court, it will just be a flash-in-the-pan news story. Modest Genius talk 12:54, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Also, I think it's unlikely that parliament would be recalled without waiting for the appeals process to conclude. If that does happen, then we could reassess. Modest Genius talk 13:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait. This is not the final word on the matter; if Parliament is actually ordered to be recalled, that would likely merit posting as Modest Genius notes. 331dot (talk) 12:55, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Brexit is already in the 'ongoing' section and every update/incident on brexit doesn't need a blurb, especially if the incident is not notable to have its own article. --DBigXray 12:59, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose per DBigXray. Banedon (talk) 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment. Strictly speaking, Brexit is only indirectly involved with this; this case is about the proroguing of Parliament. 331dot (talk) 13:11, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
    We all know why Boris did it though....-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait The nearness and larger significance of the UK Supreme Court seems to suggest waiting for that decision next week will be the point to post. --Masem (t) 13:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose while technically not Brexit, I think all ors would agree that this event is very much related to Brexit - and considering the implications of this decision other events of similar or higher impact may follow. Juxlos (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose We have to stop investing every step in this very long process with the significance of Brexit itself. Brexit-adjacent events are not noteworthy because Brexit is noteworthy. Also, when was it decided that a blurb is more important than ongoing? GreatCaesarsGhost 13:36, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
    • I agree. I held off on nominating other events for that very reason. But where do you get the idea from that people are investing every step in this very long process with significance? Carcharoth (talk) 13:38, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
    • As I understand it, a court ordering the recall of UK Parliament would be, if not a first, very unusual, regardless of Brexit or any issue- for both the UK and in the world. In the US the US Supreme Court could not order the US Congress into session as that would violate the separation of powers. 331dot (talk) 13:40, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
      • That raises an interesting point - I find it difficult to comprehend from RS what the practical implication of this is. It's basically being ignored by Boris&Co. If the higher court agrees with the Scots, will it really order Parliament to reconvene over a royal order? Will Boris have to accept that? Will the Queen? GreatCaesarsGhost 18:59, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait until Supreme Court decision.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose – No immediate change. Ongoing. – Sca (talk) 14:57, 11 September 2019 (UTC) → Boris Johnson - Caricature (48381979452).jpg
  • Wait per the others above. Keeping Brexit as ongoing for the time being is fine.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 17:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose Already in ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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(Posted as RD) Blurb: B. J. Habibie[]

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Article: B. J. Habibie (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former Indonesian president B. J. Habibie dies at the age of 83.
News source(s): KOMPAS; The Straits Times

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former President of Indonesia. Article isn't updated at the time of this nom as death was like 10 minutes ago - this is preemptive. Note that article is a bit down on sources - will be updated soon. Article updated and fixed up by now. Juxlos (talk) 11:30, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

  • I don't think it was unexpected. The people (or at least the demonstrators) wanted a transformation. So, he was really expected to do something about it. Anyone on his position would have done the same thing. What was really unexpected for me was his giving East Timor independence referendum. sentausa (talk) 11:41, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I've added a paragraph on it. Juxlos (talk) 18:54, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I think I spent 10 minutes checking if that information had ended up somewhere else in the article. I can now support RD Rockphed (talk) 19:36, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
What about the facts that he held dozens of patents in the aeronautics field and that he allowed the East Timorese to have their referendum? -Angga (formerly Angga1061) 13:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
So... continue? —Angga (formerly Angga1061) 06:01, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

RD: T. Boone Pickens[]

Article: T. Boone Pickens (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): CNBC, NBC Dallas-Forth Worth, Yahoo

Article updated

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Extremely well-known figure in the oil industry and American economy as a whole. -- LuK3 (Talk) 18:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Thorium tetraoxide sodium-potassium euctectic alloy-cooled oxygen deuteride-moderated low thermal-signature triple loop plutonium-241 breeder nuclear fission reactors encased in a high megapascal reinforced ferroconcrete sarcophagus is the bridge, liquid helium cooled high tesla neodymium-copper boride superconducting magnetohydrodynamically confined low-irradiation low-muon high-omicron high-Rankine good-beta twice unity lithium-6 deuteride Z-pinch machine thermonuclear fusion reactors with massive disintegration-limited hyperflywheel arrays and gravitational pumping cache is the goal. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
+1. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

September 10[]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Environment and health

International relations

Politics and elections

Conte Cabinet[]

Article: Conte II Cabinet (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte's new government takes office.
Alternative blurb: ​Following Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte's resignation on 20 August, Conte forms a new government and is reappointed as Prime Minister.

Nominator's comments: We passed over all the other stuff about Conte being outed. I think we should at least put the end note of the current crisis in. I have no faith that this will last until Christmas, but that would be WP:CrystalRockphed (talk) 12:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, they swapped a center/center right coalition for a center/center left/left wing coalition. I feel like some of that should be in the blurb, but I couldn't think of any way to elegantly state it. Rockphed (talk) 12:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Not so at this point, but I'd rather see Eng.-lang. references than Italian, this being the English-language Wiki. There are plenty of sources in English. – Sca (talk) 14:46, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Getting stale. – Sca (talk) 15:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, too late now. But note that today is the day the government should be confirmed in the Parliament, so it could still count as recent. However thanks for your suggestions, I added more English-language sources. --Ritchie92 (talk) 13:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
I imagine parliamentary confirmation will be a procedural footnote. Too bad, as politically this coalition was quite significant. – Sca (talk) 15:53, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
It is more recent than Hurricane Dorian and the boat fire.Rockphed (talk) 19:32, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
That doesn't make it fresh. – Sca (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Tomorrow there is the final vote in the Senate (today it won the support of the lower house already), so that might be a good occasion because it will be officially in full power. --Ritchie92 (talk) 23:11, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
It's done. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Was there an election before Boris Johnson formed a new British government? No. So I don't understand the objection. It's a new government because Italy is a parliamentary democracy, you don't need new elections to form a new government supported by a majority in the Parliament. Sorry to be blunt. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:44, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Actually it's a huge deal in politics, also at a European level. But now it's anyway too late, I would close this. --Ritchie92 (talk) 14:48, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Karbala stampede[]

Article: Karbala stampede (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least 31 people are killed and more than 100 injured from a stampede during the celebration of Ashura at Karbala, Iraq.
News source(s): BBC

Nominator's comments: Way too short right now, but will be trying to expand. Masem (t) 20:29, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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