Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for ors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Maithripala Sirisena in 2017
Maithripala Sirisena

How to nominate an item[]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated) in UTC.
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Remember, we use UTC dates.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting ors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
  • The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page.

Please do not...[]

  • ... add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  • ... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  • ... accuse other ors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  • ... comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  • ... oppose a WP:ITN/R item here because you disagree with current WP:ITN/R criteria (these can be discussed at the relevant Talk Page)


Suggestions[]

November 16[]

Portal:Current events/2018 November 16
Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Science and technology

Khmer Rouge leaders guilty of genocide[]

Articles: Khieu Samphan (talk, history) and Nuon Chea (talk, history)
Blurb: ​A tribunal finds Khmer Rouge leaders Nuon Chea and Khieu Samphan guilty of genocide.
News source(s): BBC, The New York Times
Nominator and updater: Pudeo (talk • give cr)

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: Significant news as the tribunal has been on-going for 20 years and these are the only people alive who faced a charge for the Cambodian genocide. Genocide convictions are historical. Pudeo (talk) 12:19, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Ongoing: Sri Lankan constitutional crisis[]

Article: 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis (talk, history)
Ongoing item nomination
Nominator: WaltCip (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: Per WP:ERRORS and the multiple updates that the current blurb has received, it seems clear that this will be an indefinitely ongoing event. WaltCip (talk) 11:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) Proposed redefinition of SI base units[]

Article: Proposed redefinition of SI base units (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The International Committee for Weights and Measures confirms new definitions for the kilogram, ampere, kelvin and mole.
Alternative blurb: ​The International Committee for Weights and Measures redefines the units kilogram, ampere, kelvin and mole.
News source(s): ABC, NPR, BBC
Nominator: Adpete (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: A fundamental change to how units are defined in physics; so quite big science news which is at least partly understandable at the popular level, so I think it is appropriate for ITN. Article looks to be in very good shape, though will need an update if the changes are confirmed. Of course we should not post until it is confirmed (16-Nov-2018), but it seems very likely to, so we might as well be ready. Adpete (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

The kilogram is currently defined as the mass of a standard block of metal. See [1] fourth paragraph. Planck's constant is a fundamental constant of nature, and it's related to the energy of a photon by the relation E = hf (E = energy, f = frequency, h is the Planck's constant). If this is adopted, you're not going to notice any differences. The changes are too small to be measurable without highly sophisticated apparatus. Banedon (talk) 02:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
The BBC article has a good summary: right now, the only way to confirm the kg is to go to Paris to check against that weight (the Le Grand K). By switching the system to the Planck constant - which can be measured by anyone with a specific type of electromagnetic balance - then all other factors can be used to derive the kg. --Masem (t) 02:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks to you both for your explanation. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:20, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

November 15[]

Portal:Current events/2018 November 15
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RD: William Goldman[]

Article: William Goldman (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC
Nominator: The Rambling Man (talk • give cr)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Oscar-winning screenwriter, article needs some work, but not beyond saving... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:43, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

(Closed) Brexit resignations[]

WP:NAC: consensus is clearly against posting these resignations (only two of which were cabinet-level posts). Many of the comments suggest waiting until either May is deposed or the full parliamentary vote is held. Modest Genius talk 13:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
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Article: Brexit negotiations (talk, history)
Blurb: ​On November 15, 2018, eight British government officials resign in response to the proposed Brexit deal.
News source(s): Evening Standard
Nominator: Kingsif (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: Do we need another Brexit update? But, eight government resignations in a day. Kingsif (talk) 01:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose I don't see the update anywhere in the target article. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:56, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Wait like I said at WT:ITN, until May is removed or both sides vote on a deal. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Ongoing, since this will drag out for a while and constantly make news while at it. Banedon (talk) 02:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose We don't post domestic political activities as a rule. If she is forced out then I would support. Otherwise this bickering over Brexit has been going on and will continue, up to and probably beyond the actual withdrawal date. That of course will be posted assuming article quality is up to snuff. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Wait If May goes this will obviously be postable, but let's face it, the majority of those resignations were PPSs that no-one had ever heard of. Black Kite (talk) 08:52, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Just the usual Brexit-stuff. Unless it's the PM resigning, it's not really news. Regards SoWhy 08:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose would only support a change in Prime Minister or a parliamentary rejection of the deal, everything else is fluff and noise. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Typical everyday story about Brexit. There is also nothing to wait for here, hope someone will do the needful. –Ammarpad (talk) 09:39, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Not an ITN worthy thing. Sorry...--Mhhossein talk 13:09, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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RD: Roy Clark[]

Article: Roy Clark (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): [2]
Nominator: Strikerforce (talk • give cr)

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Nominator's comments: Country music hall of fame member. StrikerforceTalk 17:36, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

November 14[]

Portal:Current events/2018 November 14
Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents
  • 2018 California wildfires
    • The death toll in the Camp Fire rises to 56, with the statewide total at 59. Authorities release the names of 130 people who are missing, including many in their 80s and 90s, with the potential that dozens more are unaccounted for. (CBS News)

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Swedish general election[]

Proposed image
Articles: 2018 Swedish government formation (talk, history) and Swedish general election, 2018 (talk, history)
Blurb: ​After two months of negotiations, Swedish Prime Minister candidate Ulf Kristersson loses confidence vote.
Alternative blurb: ​After two months of negotiations, Swedish Prime Minister candidate Ulf Kristersson loses a vote of confidence, forcing an election.
News source(s): https://www.thelocal.se/20181114/swedish-parliament-rejects-centre-right-pm-candidate-ulf-kristersson
Nominator: Specter Koen (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: This vote is significant, as it marks the first time in modern Swedish history that a PM candidate failed a confidence vote, as well as continuing a deeply divided and historically lengthy government formation process. Specter Koen (talk) 10:24, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Not irrelevant to the Swedes, at any rate. Sca (talk) 02:25, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


November 13[]

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RD: Lucho Gatica[]

Article: Lucho Gatica (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BillboardAl Dia NewsPrensa Latina
Nominator: Jamez42 (talk • give cr)

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Nominator's comments: Chilean bolero singer. My previous nomination got stale because of lack of references, but I still think it is worth nominating again. Jamez42 (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Caroline Rose Hunt[]

Article: Caroline Rose Hunt (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Dallas News
Nominator: TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • give cr)

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Nominator's comments: Article is updated and overall well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:24, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

November 12[]

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(Posted) RD: Herbert London[]

Article: Herbert London (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The New York Times
Nominator: TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • give cr)

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Nominator's comments: Article is updated and overall well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:39, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Support: One the assumption that the two bare urls in the references will be fixed before posting - Dumelow (talk) 08:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

(Closed) Kyrsten Sinema elected to the US Senate[]

Consensus tells me to withdraw. Kingsif (talk) 01:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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Articles: Kyrsten Sinema (talk, history) and United States Senate election in Arizona, 2018 (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Democrat congresswoman Kyrsten Sinema wins the US Senate seat for Arizona, becoming the first female Senator for the State, the first Arizona Democrat since 1995, and the first openly bisexual Senator.
News source(s): New York Times
Nominator: Kingsif (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: Historic victory and seat change, and one of the last results holding out it was so contentious. Kingsif (talk) 01:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Election limited to subnational division with commonplace delayed result announcement. Identity of anyone below the head of a branch of national government is an irrelevant matter for WP:ITN. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 01:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose, nom please withdraw. Abductive (reasoning) 01:41, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Strongly recommend that this good faith nom be withdrawn. WaltCip (talk) 01:49, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  • SNOW Oppose Good faith nom, but we posted the midterms when they happened, (and they're still up in fact). We're not going to post the last races from the midterms to be called. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:50, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: David Pearson[]

Article: David Pearson (racing driver) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Star Tribune
Nominator: Nohomersryan (talk • give cr)

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Nominator's comments: GA. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

(Closed) Bali Nine member Renae Lawrence to be released[]

Consensus will not develop to post a relatively minor sentence commutation. Stephen 02:09, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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Articles: Bali Nine (talk, history) and Renae Lawrence (talk, history)
Blurb: Bali Nine member Renae Lawrence scheduled to be released on 21 November, after 12 years in prison
News source(s): [3], [4]
Nominator: Hawkeye7 (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: Notorious drug mule. Caught in Bali in 2005 with 2.6 kg of heroin taped to her body. Two other members of the Bali Nine were executed by firing squad in 2015, and one died in prison. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose parochial interest, nothing ground-breaking about someone being released after a period of incarceration. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    The international interest comes from the execution of two members of the Bali Nine by firing squad. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    I didn't say it wasn't interesting, but it's not ground-breaking or ITN-worthy. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality, link rot has taken hold I'm afraid. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    WP:OHNO! Ran the InternetArchiveBot (talk), which repaired six links. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:19, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose posting the conclusion of a sentence. 331dot (talk) 21:06, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    Need a full stop? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:19, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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(Posted): Death of Stan Lee[]

Closed, it's posted, we all know it won't be pulled, Take errors to errors, no reason to leave this open as a battleground. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
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Proposed image
Article: Stan Lee (talk, history)
Blurb: ​American comic-book creator Stan Lee dies at the age of 95.
News source(s): TMZ, THR, Variety
Nominator: Power~enwiki (talk • give cr)

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Looks fully referenced; likely to be a flood of updates over the next hour. We may need to wait for independent confirmation. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment now then, loathe as I am to bring this up, this guy is almost certainly blurbable ("transformative figure"). The Rambling Man (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Adding corroborating source beyond TMZ. --Masem (t) 18:58, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support RD and Support blurb Article is in good shape (well-sourced). As TRM said, this is a rare entertainment figure that is known worldwide and is blurb-worthy. --Masem (t) 19:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Blurb added, image sent for protection cascade tagging assuming we end up with blurb. --Masem (t) 19:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Image is now properly protected should blurb be posted. --Masem (t) 19:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support blurb and RD. He certainly was a transformative figure in his field and article is well-referenced. Capitalistroadster (talk) 19:07, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Very significant and saddening. Article is in good shape. Spengouli (talk) 19:09, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support blurb as long as the Bibliography section is referenced, some things in there need inline cites. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    • There is an overarching link (Currently ref 84 as I Read it) to the Grand Comics Database that is being used to cover those all. I think that's okay? --Masem (t) 19:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Transformative in his field. I hope he filmed a ton more cameos for Phase 4. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:13, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support both article is in good shape, important person Abequinn14 (talk) 19:15, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Abequinn14 If it is determined this should be a blurb, that's where it will go, not in both places. 331dot (talk) 19:17, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm just saying if the blurb fails to get support (which doesn't seem to be the case right now) I support a RD. Abequinn14 (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support blurb with image I don't think I read a single comic book since I was like 12, so I can say I am unbiased in this regard. And I understand that his influence on the culture of both XXth and XXIst centuries was enormous. Definitively deserves a blurb per importance. Openlydialectic (talk) 19:16, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment - Seriously, what are you waiting, Avengers 9? --159.153.60.78 (talk) 19:18, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Much-loved personality. Article in unusually good shape. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose blurb no where near the level of notability that should be reserved for blurbs. RD is perfectly fine. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:26, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    Heh, transformative figure in comic books, legendary arch-father of the biggest film franchises in history. Blurb is no doubt at all. Nice try though. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:28, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    • So many fields, so many transformative figures, so perfectly suited for RD. Don't worry TRM, I'm outnumbered, this will be a blurb ... and for the next two weeks every half assed article that's important to someone will get the "We posted Stan Lee so we have to post this" treatment. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:40, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
      • No, I really don't think so. I'm not American, I'm not a comic book (or comic movie) fan, but I think this passes the test. I'm afraid that now no-one will listen to you. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support blurb per Capitalistroadster. -A lainsane (Channel 2) 19:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support blurb with image. There is a clear consensus. A somewhat longer blurb might be used—I would recommend mentioning a couple of the characters he created, though I'd hate to get bogged down in a debate over which particular ones to use. Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    • Could mention "and chairman emeritus of Marvel Comics", avoids the question of which characters to include but more where he fell in the world. --Masem (t) 19:40, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Nope, Stan Lee is Stan Lee. No embellishment required. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Ping @331dot: you around to handle this? Consensus is clear, and the article looks fine. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Posted Stephen 19:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Image please. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    Bang. Admin magic. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Less than an hour to blurb someone? I don't think even Stephen Hawking was posted this fast. WaltCip (talk) 19:54, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    Because most Americans have never heard of Hawking. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
      • Or maybe because we Americans take better care of our biographies than you Brits? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
        • No, it was more about consensus than quality. And Hawking is luminary, Lee is contemporary, as you know. Apples and pears. But good attempt at the old USA USA USA bullshit! Next up we'll be giving Wikipedia ors guns to ensure American articles are up to scratch! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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RD: Ananth Kumar[]

Article: Ananth Kumar (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Times of India
Nominator: Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk • give cr)

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Nominator's comments: Indian Union Minister Ananth Kumar died.- Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

November 11[]

Portal:Current events/2018 November 11
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RD: Douglas Rain[]

Article: Douglas Rain (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC
Nominator: Sherenk1 (talk • give cr)

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Voiced Hal in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Too many referencing issues. Hopefully will be resolved soon. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

November 10[]

Portal:Current events/2018 November 10
Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime
  • RCMP confirm one of two explosions at the Strathcona County Community Centre in Sherwood Park, Alberta on November 6th was deliberate, and the other was accidentally set off. They also disclose the suspect shot himself and later died from his wounds. No one else was hurt in the incident, and a motive for the incident is still under investigation. (CTV News)

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Ron Johnson (running back)[]

Article: Ron Johnson (running back) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Nominator: Dumelow (talk • give cr)

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Nominator's comments: American football player. Article generally very good. A couple of short uncited passages and a bare url. I am away from my computer for a couple of days but hopefully somebody can remedy these minor issues - Dumelow (talk) 00:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

November 9[]

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Day X plot[]

Article: Day X plot (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The German magazine Focus first reports the existence of a plot within the German military to assassinate left-leaning politicians.
News source(s): [5], [6], [7]
Nominator and updater: Chetsford (talk • give cr)

Article updated

 Chetsford (talk) 01:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) Second Congo ebola outbreak[]

Article: 2018 Kivu Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak (talk, history)
Blurb: ​More than 200 people have died from a second outbreak of ebola in Democratic Republic of the Congo in 2018, making it the largest such outbreak in the country's history.
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Nominator: Masem (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: While the outbreak is still going on and wont be resolved for a while, the fact that it is now confirmed as the largest outbreak in this country appears to be newsworthy. While western sources are getting the story now, this stat was made on this date, so posting here. Masem (t) 15:18, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

(Closed) Melbourne stabbing[]

Consensus will not develop to post a minor attack. Stephen 00:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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Article: 2018 Melbourne stabbing attack (talk, history)
Blurb: ​One person is killed and two injured in a stabbing in Melbourne, Australia.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-46147581
Nominator: 108.214.194.149 (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: First terrorist attack in Australia for some time. 108.214.194.149 (talk) 02:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support based on historical significant of the attack and quality of article given how recently the attack occurred. (note: I also updated the blurb to bold the like to the article) --DannyS712 (talk) 02:51, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • The weakest of possible opposes A seemingly lone wolf operation that ends up only killing one is not really that big a story. I know they said the man may have had a larger plan (with propane tanks) and was a person of intereest before, but still, this ended up with minimal harm. But that said, I'd not be against this being posted, just feel this is where the hypothetical MINIMUMDEATHS should be considered even if it was terrorism related --Masem (t) 06:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment seems that knives are the weapon of choice for homicide in Australia. Sadly these things will continue until Australia implements some meaningful knife control laws. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
The US is just a murderous country, with 17,250 a year. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Why are you two talking about the USA? I was just pointing out Australias knife murder rate for some context regarding this article. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose – On significance. Sca (talk) 14:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support - Significant enough. And ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 14:19, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose. A relatively minor attack. Tragic for those affected, but we can't post every murder around the world. Modest Genius talk 15:13, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose One fatality, little significance. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I really don't like the nominator's argument. We already have a systemic bias, and this way of dealing with it is counter-productive. A day before this attack, this prison riot in Tajikistan resulted in 27 deaths, and it was also inspired by ISIS. Being terrorism-related may be DYK material, but it's not always appropriate for ITN. wumbolo ^^^ 16:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose just not that noteworthy, and the frankly that blurb could apply to anywhere in London on every third day of the year. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further s should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Roger Hoy[]

Article: Roger Hoy (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Nominator: Dumelow (talk • give cr)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English footballer. Another article that might be a little short but seems well sourced - Dumelow (talk) 20:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Richard Paul Conaboy[]

Article: Richard Paul Conaboy (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
Nominator: Dumelow (talk • give cr)

Per this RFC and further discussion, the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. See also WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American judge. Short but well sourced - Dumelow (talk) 09:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. I found a little more to add but not much. I'll keep an eye open for any new info in the obits - Dumelow (talk) 20:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Weakest support just about enough I guess, and what's there is fine. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis[]

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Article: 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis (talk, history)
Blurb: ​In the ongoing constitutional crisis in Sri Lanka, President Maithripala Sirisena dissolves parliament and calls for elections in violation of the country’s Nineteenth Amendment which he co-sponsored.
Alternative blurb: Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena dissolves parliament and calls a snap elections in violation of the Nineteenth Amendment to the Constitution in the ongoing constitutional crisis.
Alternative blurb II: ​Due to a lack of numbers in an upcoming vote, President Maithripala Sirisena dissolves parliament and calls a snap election in the ongoing constitutional crisis in Sri Lanka.
Alternative blurb III: ​Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena dissolves parliament and calls for early elections.
News source(s): BBC, New York Times, Aljazeera, Colombo Telegraph, The Guardian
Nominator: Blackknight12 (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: The results and effects of 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis will have significant domestic and regional geopolitical consequences. President Sirisena has set a new precedent in boldly violating the constitution which has and will further escalate the crisis. Blackknight12 (talk) 20:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Done.--Blackknight12 (talk) 13:56, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia has become too tiresome for me to it, at least for now, which is why I haven't fixed it. However I will say that seeing how all 3 of you were triggered by my assertion of existance of pro-american bias on wikipedia, it just goes to show that this assessment was indeed correct and is also largerly unfixable seeing how even a mention of such bias triggers a large chunk of wikipedia's or base Openlydialectic (talk) 15:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, four of us responded (not three), and I think mostly it was just to correct all the various errors in your assertions. Great response though. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
TRM accused of pro-American bias - is this a first? Face-smile.svg Tlhslobus (talk) 02:12, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Well indeed, it sums up the absurdity of the initial accusation quite nicely. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
And neither 2018 Sri Lankan constitutional crisis nor Nineteenth Amendment to the Constitution of Sri Lanka makes clear which of the many odd actions in the past 2 weeks violate that amendment, as is asserted in the first two blurbs. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Rightly or wrongly, what you did was drive-by tagging as you had enough time to tag and start a section but yet failed to list a single actionable item. Some of those interested in posting this may have benefitted from a clear description of the problems. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
If I had the time yesterday to list every issue with the article, I would have fixed it myself. If they can't read the article, why should I trust them to write it? power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
It's not really about you, your standards, what or who you trust, it's about informing the ing population where you thought POV issues existed. Of course, doing what you did was precisely what I said, stalemate. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:30, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Power~enwiki thanks for improving the article, but I have to agree, I think it would have better had you made a clear list to all the problems when tagging the article. I knew there were many problems with the article, but I have been out-resourced this whole time, nor could I keep up with the fast pace of the changing events. But had there been a list I could have focused on fixing those issues when I got back. Having said that, its looks like the article has gone through some changes thanks to User:Power~enwiki, User:LaserLegs and User:Openlydialectic. Are there anymore issues you would like to address?--Blackknight12 (talk) 03:16, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
The article could use about 6 hours of skilled copy-ing; the timeline sections are disjointed at best. Openlydialectic's comment about how there aren't many sources from Sri Lanka is also accurate; unfortunately I'm not sure anyone here can read Sinhala or Tamil. Finally, this still seems like an "ongoing" event rather than the (disputed) dismissal of parliament being notable on its own. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:18, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Ill do some more ing today when I have the time. But just on Openlydialectic comment, the The Daily Mirror is referenced at least 19 times. However Ill make sure to include more variety of Sri Lankan sources too. Hopefully we can get this out today.--Blackknight12 (talk) 03:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Same with the alleged assassination attempt. The article says "Sirisena began firing the heads of state institutions not in his purview and replacing them with those loyal to him." and the NYT article it refs says "Mr. Sirisena began firing the heads of state institutions not in his purview and stacking them with loyalists.". Is this a concern? --LaserLegs (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I don't think it's bad enough to require revdel, but it should be fixed (and should I just assume that everything that's unsourced and awkwardly written is in that BBC or NYT article?) power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:44, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I was surprised that the ref supported that remark, honestly. You'll have to check them all. I'll get out of your way, have some yard work to do. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
User:Alternate Side Parking This parliament has only been in session since September 2015, thats only just over 3 years.--Blackknight12 (talk) 02:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I've done some more ing and cleaned up the article. FYI the problem here is not that an unpopular former president was made prime minister, but they way in which he was appointed, the blatant disregard for the law and the multiple violations of the constitution, among other things. I'm not sure where you are from, but this is definitely headline news in the country and the whole region. The crisis has been and currently is widely reported on internationally.--Blackknight12 (talk) 17:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
What does the appointment of the house leader have to do with bribery allegations? The economy section is puff. "landslide victory" is puff. Why did Sirisena replace his PM? Has he made any statements to that effect? And so what, the position is largely ceremonial. Oh well, this is certainly going to get posted, and it's better than it was, but it's very rough. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:06, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Well that and the article doesn't explain WHY it happened, or what the impact is, just that it did happen and the opposition lost their minds over it. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:55, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Imelda Marcos sentenced[]

Article: Imelda Marcos (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Former First Lady of the Philippines Imelda Marcos is convicted of seven counts of grafting over US$200 million to a Swiss foundation, and sentenced to serve up to 77 years in prison.
News source(s): NBC News, BBC, NYTimes
Nominator: Masem (talk • give cr)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article claims to be a GA but it has dozens of CN tags. Note she is (at least, just before today) a sitting politician. Also, this is a case that has been ongoing for 27 years Masem (t) 15:11, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

I mean the main point in the news, whether she will serve the prison term is another matter, but the conviction would automatically disqualify her from holding public office. STSC (talk) 09:49, 11 November 2018 (UTC)STSC (talk) 09:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
No it doesn't. A final confirmation of conviction is needed to perpetually disqualify someone from public office. If Marcos is appealing, it's not final. (Now if Marcos is pardoned, that's another matter.) Howard the Duck (talk) 09:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
She may apply for bail and still stand for elections pending appeal. STSC (talk) 10:20, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Exactly. It doesn't disqualify her from public office. This changes nothing. She's still a free (wo)man, can still run for office, and won't go to jail. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
It's still a victory. This news is very newsworthy in ITN. STSC (talk) 10:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
If there's a hollow victory, this is it. They can't even make her pay up what she stole at this point. ITN posts entries when there's a clear change of status (elections notwithstanding) on something/someone. This changes nothing. Wait until the appeals ends, then we'll talk. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:57, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
ITN posts current events, we don't just wait till something traumatic has happened. STSC (talk) 12:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Actually ITN does as per WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. That's why ITN posts terrorist attacks, but not when authorities foil such attacks (except for that one time when the targets are especially noteworthy). Howard the Duck (talk) 13:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
So it's a hard fast policy as documented by one user's essay that you've used an WP:EASTEREGG to suggest is actually policy ( circumventing the consensus at WP:RfD) . Except for that time when it wasn't a few weeks ago. Got it. ghost 14:27, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Nowhere did I say it's "hard fast policy". Howard the Duck (talk) 14:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I think the ex-GA article's quality is quite acceptable as it stands. Every article is work-in-progress. Would you like to improve the article? STSC (talk) 07:19, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Well sadly you're wrong, it's nowhere near acceptable. And no, I'm not interested in this article in the slightest, but thanks for the invitation. You're supporting it, you improve it. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I won't vote for you in ArbCom in the future then. STSC (talk) 09:05, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Honestly, that's the worst news I've had all day, and I've been awake for literally an hour. Sorry you wouldn't want your Arbs to tell you cold hard facts, the truth, rather they'd obfuscate and conceal? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Whatever, we were right to reject you in last ArbCom election. STSC (talk) 10:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, and no doubt you felt the bunch you elected were ideal too. What has that got to do with anything here? I'll tell you: absolutely nothing. Stop wasting time. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:45, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
It was targeted by a massive tag-bombing recently from someone like you who can't be bothered to improve it. STSC (talk) 14:42, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
If you disagree with the tags, remove them all. If not, then no problem. You don't have to be "bothered to improve" something when pointing out there's something wrong with it. That's not how it works. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Gosh, I thought this one would be a shoe-in. – Sca (talk) 14:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
The article has met the minimum quality requirement without any serious issue. STSC (talk) 19:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Of the tags, all I see are "page needed" and "incomplete short citation". Both are issues but those are GA/FA-level completness stuff. WP:V has been just met. For purposes of exping this, I would remove all those, but leave a link to the current version on the talk page to identify the problem citations so they can be fixed. It's definitely not a lack of sourcing at this point, just formatting of those, which we do not expect perfection at ITN. --Masem (t) 19:39, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
We've never posted an article at ITN with so many inline tags, you know that. This is not about expectation of perfection, that's a red herring, this is about not promoting work which is frankly embarrassing to the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:56, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Inline tags after an article has been nominated at ITN should be dealt with, but we're talking about an excessive number of inline tags that attempt to target quality issues we normally would not care about at ITN. Things are sourced, but book sources are lacking a more specific page reference, for example. That's a long-term issue, but not something ppl should be excessively tagging. I know the article was filled with CNs at the time I nominated, but those have been addressed. --Masem (t) 06:10, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
We're not going to post an article with so many inline tags. Their existence is justified. The sooner we all accept that, the better. Besides all that, there's no consensus at all to post this story in any case. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:17, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I extremely doubt that if someone filled in a whole bunch of CNs with a single reference to a book but did not include page or chapter numbers with that ref, that we would not consider that acceptable for ITN. We are critical of CN tags which were a problem with the article before, but "page number" tags are not a critical failure for ITN. As I've said, at the present time, while at some point those page number issues should be fixed to be more precise, WP:V is otherwise met, and at this point for purposes of posting in a timely manner (which this is soon to run out), clearing out the page numbering warnings is completely acceptable. If they were CNs, absolutely agree that those cannot be removed and not addressed, but we simply do not have that stickler on the quality of the cite format for ITN. (And I'd argue that consensus is there to post once the main tags were dealt with, which they have been, leaving only the "page number" ones). --Masem (t) 07:49, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
No, it's not going to happen, and you know it. We have never posted anything like this, and we shouldn't start now. And there's no consensus to post, at all. She hasn't even been arrested. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
"We"? You don't speak for us. The objections here were mainly based on seeing the orange tags but those tags have been cleared. The other minor maintenance tags had been indiscriminately applied and they can be dealt with anytime. STSC (talk) 16:48, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I am speaking as a member of the community who are aware of our norms (i.e. we never post such tagged material) and as a member of the community who can also read consensus (i.e. there's no consensus to post this). It's also a non-event as she hasn't even been arrested. And you are absolutely incorrect if you believe tags to be have added "indiscriminately". The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
The rambling man's policy of "we never post such tagged material" does not apply. Only the ITN guidelines apply here. STSC (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Actually, I said we have never posted such tagged material, so we should not start doing so, particularly in such a marginal case and particularly when there's no consensus to do so and particularly when the story is a damp squib. When she gets finally arrested and perhaps sent to prison, then you might have a story, so plenty of time to get the article up to scratch in the meantime. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:18, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
"ITN serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest." You don't just wait and see what may happen next. STSC (talk) 18:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) Camp Fire[]

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Articles: Camp Fire (2018) (talk, history) and Woolsey Fire (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The Camp Fire destroys the town of Paradise, California.
Alternative blurb: ​Four concurrent wildfires in California, including the Camp Fire, destroy over 190,000 acres and kill at least 25 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​Four concurrent wildfires in California, including the Camp Fire, and Woolsey Fire (pictured), destroy over 190,000 acres and kill at least 25 people.
News source(s): New York Times, AP, San Jose Mercury News, Guardian, L.A. Times, BBC
Nominator: NorthernFalcon (talk • give cr)

Nominator's comments: Getting slightly ahead of this one, but this fire appears to be similar to the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire, which was posted here when it happened. I suspect this article will change rapidly over the next twelve hours. NorthernFalcon (talk) 08:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Population 26,551. Also amazingly this is a place that averages 8 centimeters and 5 days of rain in October and twice or more that in November (think Merranean climate, like Italy), and even in the East when it can get 40C and no rain for 5-15 days and pine trees are full of turpentine this kind of thing usually doesn't happen. It takes 3 months of drought for maximum flammability. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Really? A fire starts sunrise, town of 27,000 ordered to evacuate hours later and some are still trapped (nearly every household has cars and officials err on the safe side especially since they must've been in an extreme national weather service red flag fire warning or something and all parts of the state are no stranger to deaths from extreme spread speed), burns everything burnable, grows to 81 square kilometers by evening and it'll be a stub forever without immense fluff? Their typical Nov 9 weather is similar to London except almost triple the rain, this is climatologically unusual. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:41, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, but nothing which couldn't be summed up in a few sentences in the Paradise article. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

( conflict)

Is it safe for body counters to search the town yet? Do they use "death specialists" like coroner for this or people who might be busy now like police? Hopefully there's enough oxygen to let it burn past you breathing a bag of air underwater or in a concrete building or something but I don't know how common that is. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes the other two burned over the last major barrier (US road 101) and are threatening to burn the homes of ~100,000 people including Malibu. Wow. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:13, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I heard he was blaming the media for the fires. Sca (talk) 15:58, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
It's the migrant caravan, that's why democrats want open borders. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

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