Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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January 26[]

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New Prime Minister of Estonia[]

Article: Kaja Kallas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Kaja Kallas becomes the first woman to become Prime Minister of Estonia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Kaja Kallas becomes the Prime Minister of Estonia, the first woman to hold the office.
News source(s): DW, Politico, AP, Guardian, Estonian World
Crs:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Estonia is getting a new Prime Minister, which is ITN/R, as the Prime Minister is the position with all of the power in the country. This does not follow an election, because the previous Prime Minister resigned due to a scandal. This is particularly noteworthy because Kallas is the first woman to become Prime Minister of Estonia, and Estonia now becomes the only country in the world with both an (elected) female head of state and head of government. While the news broke two days ago, Kallas only officially became Prime Minister this morning, so I am nominating this for today. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Carlos Holmes Trujillo[]

Article: Carlos Holmes Trujillo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Colombian Minister of Defense dies from COVID-19. Article needs work. Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:19, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Resignation of Italian Prime Minister[]

Article: 2021 Italian government crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte resigns after weeks of disagreements within the government coalition. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, Guardian
Crs:

 Ritchie92 (talk) 14:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Just FYI, the Prime Minister is not the head of state. Also, there could be no change of PM at all in this case, as he could be re-appointed by the actual head of state (the President of Italy) to form another government. --Ritchie92 (talk) 18:49, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh yeah. Double oppose then. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:04, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

January 25[]

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(Posted) RD: Nilda Pedrosa[]

Article: Nilda Pedrosa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Miami Herald
Crs:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:15, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

  • The article is 3,111 characters long, well above the minimum ITN standard of 1,500 characters. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:19, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I'm not trying to imply that it's a stub (sorry if that's how my wording came off), just that it's bony, with some sections comprised of just one sentence. If that could be bulked up a bit, then I'd support. Gex4pls (talk) 01:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

January 24[]

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Science and technology

  • SpaceX successfully launches a record 143 satellites into orbit on a single rocket in its Transporter-1 mission. The payload consisted of 120 CubeSats, 12 microsatellites, 10 Starlink satellites, and 1 transfer stage. It is also the maiden flight of the SHERPA-FX satellite dispenser. (BBC)

Sports


RD: Arik Bauer[]

Article: Arik Brauer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Standard + leading papers in German
Crs:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: no art he didn't do - now referenced and expanded, and on the way to more, but should be enough already Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Fixed Grimes2 (talk) 13:08, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joseph Sonnabend[]

Article: Joseph Sonnabend (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Blade
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: HIV/AIDS researcher, article was rated as GA in 2015. - Indefensible (talk) 03:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

(Pulled) 2021 Portuguese presidential election[]

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Article: 2021 Portuguese presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa (pictured) is elected for a second term as President of Portugal. (Post)
News source(s): ABC News Correio da Manhã, AP
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Re-election of a head of state. ArionEstar (talk) 01:09, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: George Armstrong (ice hockey)[]

Article: George Armstrong (ice hockey) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable professional athlete, article is a GA. - Indefensible (talk) 19:18, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

  • @Spencer: done. HockeyDB doesn't list him as being the coach in 1977–78, so I've removed that season's row and re-calculated his OHA totals. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:42, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand[]

Strong consensus against posting this. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: New Zealand health officials reports the first community case of COVID-19 in more than two months in a 56-year-old woman who returned to the country from Europe. (Sydney Morning Herald) ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&action= Post)
News source(s): [2]
Crs:
Nominator's comments: New Zealand is notable as having eliminated community transmission. Periodic re-introduction of community exposure is significant news in my opinion. The Sydney Morning Herald quotes that a top official suspects transmission during quarantine due to more transmissible variant. DougEMandy (talk) 18:16, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose as calling out any one country's COVID response (positive/negative/otherwise) is covered by the banner. --Masem (t) 18:20, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose minor detail in the big story at the top of Template:ITN, good for them making it two months without a single case, I'm jealous. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per previous. Suggest snow. – Sca (talk) 18:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Why call out New Zealand for having one case and not the United States for passing 25 million, or India for passing 10 million, or Micronesia for getting its first case earlier this month? NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:42, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per NorthernFalcon. I find it absolutely hilarious that a country which has done a stand-up job of containing this unprecedented global pandemic is now somehow considered newsworthy for ascertaining the presence of ONE CASE of COVID-19 while the rest of the world is burning. We could learn a lot from the Kiwis.--WaltCip-(talk) 19:08, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Us New Zealanders have had it pretty good over the last year, and we sure appreciate it. I would not regard it as "being called out" for having a case of community transmission; I'd see it as an incredible effort that it's taken this long until another case escaped into the community. Schwede66 19:15, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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January 23[]

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(Posted) RD: Robert Rowland[]

Article: Robert Rowland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; The Daily Telegraph
Crs:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Walter Bernstein[]

Article: Walter Bernstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American screenwriter. Article requires some work, but, not too far away. Edits done. Article looks good for homepage / RD. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 18:51, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Jonas Gwangwa[]

Article: Jonas Gwangwa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Crs:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted South African jazz ‘giant. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Once again, notability is not a concern with RD. Any gripes with the article itself are valid, but please do not oppose RD listings for being un notable :/ Gex4pls (talk) 18:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Roy Torrens[]

Article: Roy Torrens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Crs:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: he was regarded as a pioneer of the success of Ireland national cricket team in international cricket. Abishe (talk) 20:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Russian protests[]

Article: 2021 Russian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​People across Russia protest against the arrest of Alexey Navalny. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In 112 Russian cities protesters demand the release of Alexei Navalny, and the resignation of the Vladimir Putin.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters, Meduza, The Moscow Times
Crs:

Nominator's comments: Front page news on CNN, BBC, etc. Either blurb or ongoing. Article is currently developing as events are unfolding. Brandmeistertalk 13:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh man, that table, almost all of it cited to Meduza.io which is an aggregator that provides no sources for it's map. Needs an orange tag -- of course it'll go on the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Eh, the United States has a history of protest and dissent. Modern Russia does not. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 00:09, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

(Re-closed) (Posted/Pulled) RD/Blurb: Larry King[]

The discussion is still longer than the article and getting worse. ITN isn't WP:TOP25 and never has been; if you want it that way, start an RfC to make it so, but this isn't the way to do it and it's not the place to do it. There is still no consensus for posting, and it's unfortunate that he didn't have long enough at RD, but that's a different question altogether. 86.158.212.97 (talk) 14:02, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: Larry King (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American television and radio host Larry King dies at the age of 87. (Post)
News source(s): Official Twitter The Independent
Crs:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Announced by his media company. RS should follow pretty soon but that is imho sufficiently reliable. SoWhy 13:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks to 109.249.185.61 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) for adding The Independent source. Regards SoWhy 13:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Patently trolling.
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  • Should be a blurb. Household name worldwide (quite unlike that literallywho Basketball player we just posted) 5.44.170.9 (talk) 13:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
We should keep both. No need to knock Hank Aaron (who played baseball, not basketball). UncomfortablySmug (talk) 13:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb: Major household name and easily the most famous on-air talent associated with CNN, especially internationally. His departure from the network also marked a significant turning point for cable news and heralded CNN's decline. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 13:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment just wait: "old man dies" not worthy of a blurb nonsense incoming...!! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Haters gonna hate LaserLegs Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Until his hopsitalization, King was still active as a host, so even less of "old man dies" here. --Masem (t) 14:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
We created RD to keep death blurbs from pushing other stories out of the box, so my threshold for a blurb is very high. No hate here. Will stop being "in the news" Monday morning. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb: Even Swedish media calls him "legendary" (as do French and Spanish). This is someone who made a splash all over the world. --cart-Talk 13:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb: Prefered to be a blurb. Every major news source in Serbia published an article about his death. Vacant0 (talk) 13:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Blurb unless you can update the target article to show how king was "transformative" in the world of talk show interviews. He was no Mike Wallace, for example. We have guidelines for blurbs and King seems to fit RD perfectly. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Mike Who? That's a US POV. --cart-Talk 13:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • You're joking right? Mike Wallace basically invented the confrontational television interview and 60 Minutes was the reference implementation for a television news magazine. Oh and Mike Wallace was a key character in a major motion picture. You're really going to accuse me of "a US POV" when both Larry King and the more accomplished TV news host I compared him to are both American? Really? I mean..... --LaserLegs (talk) 13:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • What I meant was that Wallace might be more famous in the US than King, but living outside the US, I know exactly who King was but had never heard of Wallace. Outside the US, King was synonymous with US television for a long time. --cart-Talk 14:04, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I've got no clue who Mike Wallace is either.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • From a non-American POV, I’ve never heard of Mike Wallace, but I do know of Larry King. starship.paint (exalt) 14:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Did a little search and King is front page news on French, Spanish, Italian, Japanese, even Russian papers. --cart-Talk 14:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I subscribe to the view that Larry King was more famous worldwide and that's a very good reason to post a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:38, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb Larry King was famous worldwide - agree with cart, I never heard of Mike Wallace on this side of the world JW 1961 Talk 14:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb if the CNs are fixed. BBC: King was a giant of US broadcasting who achieved worldwide fame for interviewing political leaders and celebrities. AP: King helped define American conversation for a half-century. starship.paint (exalt) 14:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb from another person outside the United States. Like it or not, his name is probably the first one that comes to mind when talking about television.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment It’s obvious that the most famous television journalist since Cronkite and a cultural icon deserves an entire blurb, not a simple recent death mention. Most people under 60 don’t even know who Mike Wallace is. Trillfendi (talk) 14:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Irrelevant.
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  • To be fair, I suspect most people under 60 outside the US don't know who Larry King was either, to be honest. Black Kite (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Apparently judging by the reaction, that isn’t the case. This was a man who was also in children’s tv shows and movies. Trillfendi (talk) 15:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Cronkite who? Anyway, just checked with my partner and my sibling. I didn’t know if they knew of Larry King, but they said yes. starship.paint (exalt) 15:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • As to Wallace being a character in a major motion picture, IMDb has King appearing in 67 movies. When directors wanted to show how famous the lead character was, they always had her/him being interviewed by King in some montage. This was going on until 2016. --cart-Talk 15:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Black Kite, lol I just scraped in - being 60 in a few weeks time from Ireland, most of us would know King :) JW 1961 Talk 15:48, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I knew who he was as well, but I did base that comment on a small representative sample i.e. (a) asking my kids (nope), then (b) asking my wife (answer: "basketball player, isn't he?") Black Kite (talk) 16:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • The sampling error of that particular subset would make any statistician's head spin.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Hey, it was 50% by gender, 50% under-45 and over-45, what more do you want? :) Black Kite (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb Larry King was famous worldwide, he had a 63-year broadcasting career, which included 25 years as an interviewer on CNN's Larry King Live. - agree with cart. AbDaryaee (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb after the few CNs in the article are fixed. Also, this is not appearing as cut-and-dried as Hank Aaron, so recommend we make sure there's a clear concensus on a blurb (RD can go up rather quickly though). --Masem (t) 14:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • In case a blurb is supported, I've got the picture above into image protection queue so that it is ready to go. --Masem (t) 14:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb Easily one of the, if not the, most famous talk show hosts out there. Why are we even talking about Mike Wallace? All coz of Laser "Devil's Advocate" Legs? RIP Larry Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:39, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose article contains a number of unreferenced claims. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb just for the record. I suggested this as RD since RD is certain but I agree that he was known around the world. I knew him and my g/f who I just asked knew him as well and we are both German. Not only was he famous for his work, he was also a staple in popular culture. A blurb would be more than appropriate imho. Regards SoWhy 15:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb definitely notable, not only in the US but also in journalism circles. Egeymi (talk) 16:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – RD only, per TRM, Legs. Where's the transformatization? – Sca (talk) 16:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb. We already have Hank Aaron up there atm; two American blurbs is two too many. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
"Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive."--WaltCip-(talk) 16:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Miller, Hayley; Moran, Lee (January 23, 2021). "Larry King, Iconic TV And Radio Interviewer, Dies At 87". HuffPost – via Yahoo!. He rose above personal tragedy, financial despair and half a dozen divorces to become one of the most revered and prolific interviewers in broadcasting. Dalton, Andrew; Moore, Frazier. "Larry King, broadcasting giant for half-century, dies at 87 January 23, 2021". Pittsburg Post-Gazette. Associated Press. 7&6=thirteen () 16:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Influential in the television broadcasting field, death reported with significant coverage and article in decent shape. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb. I'd certainly never heard of him, but most importantly none of the +votes have offered any serious explanation for his transformative importance in the field. There are plenty of high-profile journalists and interviewers but their importance is usually national-only. For what it's worth, I think we did include David Frost in 2013. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Larry King is one of the most influential, well-known, and transformative individuals in the history of broadcasting. I'd suggest reading the article if you've never heard of him. Mlb96 (talk) 20:19, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment As TRM and I have pointed out, this cannot be posted RD or Blurb until quality issues are resolved. Too many ors are arguing towards importance but forgetting the other major pillar for inclusion in the ITN box. --Masem (t) 17:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
User:Masem Which "quality issues" are there? I think they have all been resolved. 7&6=thirteen () 17:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
There were more before, but there remains the POV orange section tag on the controversy section. --Masem (t) 18:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Once the tag in the “controversies” section is gone, it’s ready to go. Schwede66 18:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb once the orange tag in Controversies is fixed. The article also contradicts itself on King's religious beliefs (Jewish agnostic or fully atheist). Although King was rather old, he was still very active and had a lasting influence in broadcast media. Spengouli (talk) 18:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Strong support blurb One of the most influential talk show hosts of our time. Deserves a blurb. Also marking as ready. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 18:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
On a scale of 1 to 1, how strong is your support? – Sca (talk)
  • Comment Fixed the contradictory line about his religion. Basically, I combined the two. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 18:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb - WP:NOTNP, having the listing in the RD row is enough for encyclopedic coverage and having a blurb will crowd out another entry. - Indefensible (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb per above, and per RS which say he had an international reputation. Davey2116 (talk) 20:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb - He was top field of his work. Interviewing everyone important from top politicians, sportsmen, celebrities over more than 4 decades. BabbaQ (talk) 20:20, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb. He was popular, but I don't see what's transformative about being on television a long time (especially given that he was never especially praised for his interviewing prowess), and he was in the hospital for over a month, so this is not a surprising death. Also, I promise I'm not some kind of blurb-hating maniac. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb King was certainly at the top of his respective field. I can't think of another individual in the television/radio host category as worthy of a blurb as him. He's been on the air for 67 years and is a recognizable name around the world.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. I feel like Aaron's picture should get a little more time so I didn't add King's yet. 331dot (talk) 20:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • User:331dot - this entry has support but does not have consensus for posting per the opposes. - Indefensible (talk) 21:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
      • As of this moment I stand by my decision. It's not set in stone, though. 331dot (talk) 21:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • No Blurb, old men die, the name is recognizable enough on its own in RD for those interested in who this time. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb / Pull. I've heard of him, yes, but he's not of the major transformative level that we blurb. Not sure why this was deemed suitable for such an early posting either. Unless it's completely slam dunk and Uncontroversial, like the Hank Aaron case below, it's usual to RD first and let blurb conversation proceed at a leisurely pace.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Amakuru I'm not sure what you mean by "early posting"; there are numerous comments above with a good number of people weighing in. We have no arbitrary minimum discussion time. 331dot (talk) 21:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
@331dot: I explained what I meant by this above. Several people had already opposed a blurb by the time you posted, and now even more have opposed since. That means it's not Uncontroversial, and as we always do with such cases, we RD it first (assuming quality is OK) while blurb discussion continues. To avoid the unseemly rigmorole of having to pull something that's already been posted. I was questioning why that step was bypassed here. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm not aware of that bring a formal rule. I evaluated the arguments and made a decision. 331dot (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb I must agree that while a major figure in American journalism, he does not quite rise to the level of blurb worthy in my opinion. Rhino131 (talk) 21:20, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose/pull blurb I was a fan, but he died of old-age related diseases at 87, and he wasn't "top tier" famous. A big name sure, but most certainly not heads higher than several others in the world of journalism. --Trans-Neptunian object (talk) 21:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment In Larry King vs. Hank Aaron, both "old man dies", I'm always astonished about the VIP treatment US athletes get on ITN, as opposed to US non-sports people who are internationally known. Just saying. I know I can't change that, but it's worth mentioning. (Ok, now let the "you-don't-know-what-you're-talking-about rain" begin.) --cart-Talk 21:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
W.carter I invite you to make nominations of such persons that you think merit posting and convince others to support them. We can only consider what is nominated. 331dot (talk) 21:38, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I've noticed a few !votes pointing out that he was elderly; I'd like to politely ask that ors avoid those types of rationales in RD blurbs where the notability comes not from the way they died, but what they did with their lives. Any accomplished individual who is at the top of their respective field is more likely to die old than young, so age is not the determining factor here.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    The fact that he's elderly is a relevant factor because it means that his death is not in itself remarkable or independently newsworthy. If he had died unexpectedly at a young age, as say Kobe Bryant did, that changes the equation.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    Age at death is also the exact hook of the proposed blurbs, what else are we supposed to oppose? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    Concur with Amakuru and InedibleHulk. Someone who is entirely notable for "What they did with their lives" is on WP:ITNRD as a reason to post someone in RD, not as a blurb. Nohomersryan (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Let Me Die A Youngman's Death by Roger McGough. --cart-Talk 22:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • RE: Amakuru and Nohomersryan, both can be reasons why a death is notable (either that the death itself was unexpected or that the individual themselves was notable), but most RDs that get posted as blurbs are deaths of elderly people who died of natural causes, because the determining factor was what they did in their lives. Kobe Bryant dying at a young age was undoubtedly shocking, but this is very rarely the case. Being at the top of one's respective field is almost always the reason for posting. If any or were to oppose the posting of Aretha Franklin, Stephen Hawking, or Nelson Mandela because they were all between the ages of 76 and 95 and died of natural causes, they would surely be criticized for thinking that their advanced age makes them any less blurb-worthy.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • That's what the discussion is for; whether an individual is at the top is inherently arbitrary and not for us to decide, it's for sources to decide, and Sharon Begley's passing resulted in nowhere near as many reliable sources covering it. I'm simply arguing that we can and do post the deaths of "major figures" (see WP:ITNRD: "The death of major figures, including transformative world leaders in their field, may merit a blurb."), not just deaths that occur as a result of shocking freak accidents, hence "they were old" shouldn't be considered a valid reason to !vote oppose.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
The blurb is exclusively about the age at which he died. Maybe propose an alternative if you don't want his age to factor in. Not sure where Supporters see any other accomplishment here. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:49, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Do you take issue with the wording of this RD blurb? The format of "(field) (name) died at the age of (age)" is pretty standard.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Not anymore, it's old news. But yes, should have been RD (two days later at Annan, I voted No blurbs for anyone). At least that one had a cause. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Agree that it is inherently subjective, and what is for Wikipedians to decide is whether it gets posted and/or blurbed or not. Right now there does not seem to be consensus for supporting the blurb whether based on age or otherwise. - Indefensible (talk) 22:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Being at the top of one's respective field is almost always the reason for posting. - The bar is higher than simply being top of one's field, which was the old RD criteria that was rightfully junked. Besides, Franklin and Mandela's deaths were followed by a wave of tributes and lengthy memorials that dominated TV for days after they had passed. King was an elderly TV host who did not die in a surprising way; he won't be top news 24 hours from now. Nohomersryan (talk) 22:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • While we should take into account a person who is simply elder and has not been active for a while in their field (meaning that they should have achieved a greater importance in their youth as was the case of Hank Aaron), until the start of 2021, King was still doing his shows and interviews and showed no sign of slowing down until he was hospitalized by COVID. So this is as surprising a death as something along the lines of Kobe Bryant, in addition to the fact King was a luminary in the field already. --Masem (t) 23:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • So this is as surprising a death as something along the lines of Kobe Bryant Wait, what?? An 87-year-old man who was hospitalized for over a month with a deadly disease is as surprising as a 41-year-old athlete dying suddenly in a helicopter crash? Nohomersryan (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb for the post-posting debate. A world-renowned figure in his field, working up until nearly his death. Kingsif (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb he would be famous internationally for the "people with American cable TV" audience, but otherwise I doubt the Mandela/Hawking levels of notability. Was King even top of his field in terms of notability relative to contemporaries? No issue with RD. Juxlos (talk) 22:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • His shows were bought by TV-companies and aired in other countries, same as films and series were before cable. --cart-Talk 22:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb American TV isn't available in much of the rest of the world. Banedon (talk) 22:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Pulled - Because 6 of the 7 folks who expressed an opinion since the posting were either pull or oppose, it's best to pull it at this time until a consensus develops to post. Courtesy ping: 331dot-- Fuzheado | Talk 22:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Posting to the RD list is probably fine still. - Indefensible (talk) 22:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Good point. Done. -- Fuzheado | Talk 22:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Repost as blurb. There was consensus to post as a blurb when it was posted and the given reason for removal is weak. Consensus should be judged as whole and not based on knee-jerk pull comments after the fact. -- Calidum 23:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Not quite true: there was already pushback by Indefensible about whether a consensus had been reached at the time of posting, and the addition of 6 out of 7 additional voices to pull/oppose shows there is very unclear consensus here. -- Fuzheado | Talk 23:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Knee-jerk, my foot, I've been blowing this same horn since Kofi kicked off three summers ago. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Hank Aaron a virtually unknown outside the US is posted to Blurb. But Larry King is not per ”being unknown outside the US”. Let that sink in.BabbaQ (talk) 23:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb it's inherently US centric (i'm from Australia); when someone who is one of the top figures in their field (broadcasting) and known worldwide - is seen as less notable than a baseball player (only really big in the US, Japan, Cuba, Mexico and the Dominican Republic) - which proves international notability means nothing in the end. I doubt anyone here would blurb Sadaharu Oh either (or any cricketer like Garfield Sobers or Viv Richards for that matter - which would point towards American sports fanboyism instead and noone actually caring about the sport's international prospects). Unless we are going to claim a CNN show has less international reach than baseball. Only legitimate argument would be that Ted Turner would probably not get a blurb, so a CNN host probably should not! Either way, i support King's blurb. GuzzyG (talk) 23:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Arguably the Hank Aaron blurb should be removed and added to the RD list as well per your comment and similar others, that would be better than having them take up ITN blurb space for other encyclopedic content. - Indefensible (talk) 23:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
      • I agree. Noone would blurb Barbara Walters so King is in a similar playing field - although he's up there with David Frost and Oriana Fallaci - we'd probably blurb David Attenborough though, so in the end - it's just the person whose field tends to have Wikipedia ors as fans (like Carrie Fisher). Realistically, journalism is a relatively country specific area (although people like King break through internationally sometimes, moreso than a Walter Cronkite type of broadcaster). Sports though i would say only top notch footballers like Pelé (worldwide sport) or Olympic athletes like Michael Phelps (worldwide competition) should be blurbed regularly, with the rare pass for Tiger Woods, Roger Federer and Michael Jordan type athletes that are known worldwide or people like Garry Kasparov with a bit of historical importance behind them (human rights) - most sports are very local ad very rarely are important in different countries than in which they compete. Either way, King's show broadcasted on CNN International; which means he is more international than some people here give him cr - but if we go by the original Thatcher/Mandela standard than none would probably make it, to be honest! GuzzyG (talk) 00:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb. Definitely the most notable person associated with CNN and probably talk shows in general. Maybe I'm biased by living close to the US but whenever a character in a movie goes on a talk show it always seems to be Larry King. Connor Behan (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    Being associated with CNN is not prima facie proof of notability, not even in the U.S. – Sca (talk) 00:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
    "Most notable person associated with CNN" is a different sentence from "notable because he was associated with CNN". Connor Behan (talk) 17:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb -- can we please make a policy that once a blurb is posted, it is not pulled? This is unprofessional. I'd rather we wait a long period of time before blurbing than do this. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 00:03, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
    Support such a policy -- this alone is enough of a reason to restore Larry King. It is troubling that an admin thought it was acceptable not only to pull a death blurb but to do so without moving it to RD. Connor Behan (talk) 17:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Meh 1. He is known worldwide, this is not debateable. 2. He was extremely successful and accomplished in his career over the years, in radio and television, by any standard you can name. 3. His article indicates nothing transformative, he didnt pioneer anything, didnt make any great advances to the world of broadcasting/news/interviews etc. He didnt invent the softly softly interviewing technique. He may have been highly influential, but its not in his article, which reads much more like 'This is who he was, what he did' not 'This is what he achieved and improved on compared to others in his field'. If the standard for blurbing is 'transformative', then his article needs something to that effect. If we are happy with just having someone at the top of their game after a long successful life, we need to dump the transformative requirement. Only in death does duty end (talk) 00:15, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb Yes, a well-known figure but doesn't meet the "transformative" standard. P-K3 (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb Well known is not the same as important. Quite shocked at the level of support here. I imagine the place King held at CNN when CNN was the be-all-end-all is inflating people's opinion of him. He interviewed everyone because he was such a lightweight. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Move Hank Aaron to RD too: no consensus to post there either — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.106.95 (talk) 02:13, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Strong support blurb Well known around the world (except to young people perhaps) and he was definitely at the top of his field. His death has been reported as a top story not only in the U.S. but also in other countries. Larry King's show, by the way, aired not only on CNN USA but also on CNN International, which is available in many countries. I'm surprised Larry King is being questioned while we have a blurb for Hank Aaron, who I never even heard of. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:40, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb, support RD. It seems that King was pulled ENTIRELY which is very disproportionate. He's easily important enough for RD (unless there's undisclosed BLP issues in the article or the like), but probably borderline for a blurb. (Also, Hank Aaron >>> Larry King, surprised to see that incredulity above... it's not unreasonable for Aaron to get a blurb but not King. TV journalists are common; lifetime homerun record holders are exceedingly rare.) SnowFire (talk) 06:51, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: why is he not in RD???-- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 07:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Already rolled off when Dave Bolton was added. FYI to User:SnowFire as well. Agree that he should be listed for a while longer. - Indefensible (talk) 07:06, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
      • It shouldn't have been. Bolton is the only one on the ticker who passed more recently than King. - Floydian τ ¢ 07:13, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
        • They don't do it that way anymore, it seems to be first on/first off. Anyhow, I have re-added this as a 7th RD since it seems like there was a great deal of support and it was hardly on there at all. --Bongwarrior (talk) 07:20, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb, support RD - Only top of a narrow field; I'd say he was an Eddie Van Halen level television host... - Floydian τ ¢ 07:16, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb, per User:Vanilla Wizard rationale above. Alexcalamaro (talk) 08:07, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • RD only while very well-known, not transformative. It's pretty hard for a news host to be transformative because they can't proactively change the course of history/academics/sports techniques/jurisprudence/commerce etc in a way that a trailblazing politician/research professor/sportsperson/judge/businessperson could, but that is the lot of a TV host Bumbubookworm (talk) 09:35, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Stats This needs revisiting now that Larry King has scrolled off RD but Hank Aaron is still there with a big picture. King peaked at over 1.5 million views and was still the top read on Wikipedia yesterday with 666K – a figure that Aaron failed to reach at all. The other blurbs are nowhere in this contest – they barely twitched the needle. The general consensus of our readership is clear.
Readership views
Article 7 days to 24 Jan
Larry King
2,185,535
Hank Aaron
1,046,483
LauncherOne
59,781
2021 Russian protests
46,286
2020–21 Central African general election
13,874
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(Closed) Cyclone Eloise[]

Withdrawn.~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 14:34, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: Cyclone Eloise (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At least 13 people are killed from Cyclone Eloise. (Post)
News source(s): ReliefWeb The Guardian Nigeria Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Catastrophic situation unfolding. Uncommonly strong storm heading towards a poor country still recovering from Cyclone Idai, which killed 1,300 people and left 2,200 more missing. More deaths will occur. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 01:43, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – This storm is still strengthening and is almost guaranteed to continue doing so all the way up to landfall. Which is imminent. The storm is going to strike Mozambique, a country that was devastated by Cyclones Idai and Kenneth back in 2019. The country hasn't yet recovered, and they recently experienced a landfall from Tropical Storm Chalane near the end of last month. This storm is guaranteed to have significant impacts on a region still recovering from a devastating storm, and as such, it warrants an ITN mention. There will be more damage, and there will almost certainly be more deaths. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 01:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, though I would think that the blurb should reflect the strength and ominous nature of the storm. As written, it sounds like a thing that happened and is done with. BD2412 T 01:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Eloise hasn't made landfall yet. It's quickly intensifying though. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 02:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose For now. Don't get too WP:CRYSTAL on us now, the storm hasn't made landfall yet, and so far the death toll is low. (Also, the article needs a bit of improvement) Gex4pls (talk) 02:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I've looked over your sources and it looks like (correct me if I'm wrong) the 3 deaths came from previous rains not associated with the storm, and the only death mentioned is in the reuters article, where they claim that one person has died in Madagascar. Gex4pls (talk) 02:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
@Gex4pls: The 3 deaths were part of the moisture associated with the storm. The Reuters article mentions flooding days before the storm's arrival. The storm was very large and had a large moisture field, with sprawling rainbands. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 02:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh, makes sense then. Sorry about that. Gex4pls (talk) 02:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
@Gex4pls: No worries! It's entirely fine to question the deaths/impact of a storm if the source is unclear. Cheers, ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 02:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment didn't we 86 posting some storms at the end of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season because ITN was "not a storm ticker" or somesuch? What makes Eloise unique? Largest size? Highest wind speed? Largest storm surge? Unseasonable? Exceptionally high death toll or economic impact? Is there anything about this storm other than routine storm doing routine storm things? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – On lack of significance. The civil war in northern Mozambique, from which half a million have fled, seems far more important than the deaths of four people in a storm. – Sca (talk) 16:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose looks very run-of-the-mill, indeed I've been having stronger gusts outside my house today. Meh. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment More news articles are still being released about Eloise, so it may be too soon to determine notability. This article came out while I was in the middle of typing this !vote, and it mentions that the threat of floods related to Eloise is still present. It looks like the storm will thankfully be nowhere near as bad as Cyclone Idai was, but it's still possible that it was devastating enough to warrant mentioning it in ITN. I'd give it at least a day to wait for more information about the impact that Eloise had.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose This storm hasn't done anything out of the ordinary. NoahTalk 02:20, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Typical aftermath of a tropical cyclone. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 10:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Unimportant. WikiLove Goat (talk) 10:43, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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Ongoing Removal: 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest[]

Article: 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The last significant update about the protests was a January 12th one-liner when the supreme court suspended the law. [8] The most recent protest was added on January 8th and was about protests which took place on December 24th. [9] Everything else from the 8th till now is ref improvements, copy s, and commentary from both sides -- not protests. People disagree with laws all the time and make their cases in court, in the media, in elections, etc and that's what's going on here. The article is stale, the story is stale, and it needs to come down. LaserLegs (talk) 00:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

So, I am guessing you are not aware of the recent happenings. The article is in dire need of an update; yes, it needs to be off the main page in its present state. There have been pretty recent and major developments to the case, wherein the government proposed suspension of the said laws while the protesting party refused. There is a plan to take out a major rally on 26 Jan - India's Republic Day. If someone updates the article, this should remain on. It still is a pretty hot topic being covered by international media. 180.151.224.217 (talk) 01:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't follow the story, because I honestly don't care about it. I just evaluated the article against the WP:ITN#Ongoing_section criteria. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I honestly don't care about it Uh-huh. That should violate #4. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I read the article, I didn't scour the internet for news about the subject. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Then get it into the target article, that's what we're featuring on the main page for our WP:READERS --LaserLegs (talk) 14:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Which would make one update in two weeks --LaserLegs (talk) 22:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
No longer CRYSTAL, Republic Day protests are definitely happening. Gex4pls (talk) 13:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Juan Guzmán Tapia[]

Article: Juan Guzmán Tapia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chilean Judge. Article requires some work to get it to homepage levels of quality. If someone understands the region, you are welcome to lend a hand to make the necessary s. Edits and content updates done. Article has shaped up to a nice C-class biography. Article is good to go to homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 23:56, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Notability isn't a concern with RD, if they have an article they are eligible :/ Gex4pls (talk) 13:50, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Luton Shelton[]

Article: Luton Shelton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Jamaica Football player Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: F. X. Sudjasmin[]

Article: F. X. Sudjasmin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The third deputy chief of staff of the Indonesian Army to come in the RD. Bear with me. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted blurb) RD: Hank Aaron[]

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Article: Hank Aaron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Hank Aaron (pictured), the second highest Major League Baseball career home run leader, dies at the age of 86. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Baseball legend Hank Aaron dies at the age of 86.
Alternative blurb II: ​Baseball player Hank Aaron dies at the age of 86.
News source(s): https://www.al.com/sports/2021/01/baseball-icon-hank-aaron-dead-at-age-86.html
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The GOAT. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Why?--WaltCip-(talk) 19:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Because it is a recent death. WikiLove Goat (talk 20:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Important deaths can be posted to ITN, not RD. See Ruth Bader Ginsburg a couple months back. Gex4pls (talk) 20:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • ... the reason he's being posted is because he is also an extremely important icon in the civil rights movement. He got a standing ovation in the deep south in 1974 for breaking Babe Ruth's record. That's an insane accomplishment. It's not just because of his ranking (which is impressive all on its own). -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 21:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
He also isn't reviled on the scale of one of the best footballers ever, if you know who I mean. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
yanked from ITN quite resoundingly: Looking back at the the Lewis nom, it seems that 24h of very strong blurb support got pulled for a few hours of non-rebutted, post-blurb opposes. The post-pull comments were harsh on the removal. "resoundingly" is open to debate.—Bagumba (talk) 04:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I was referring specifically to the comments made after the posting, which seemed unanimously negative. I figured this would be the same kind of nomination that attracts a flurry of supports for a blurb, only to crumble when it's actually posted. Guess I'm no clairvoyant. Nohomersryan (talk) 05:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Please propose those "bigger things" for posting. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Global recognition is not a requirement for any ITN posting, if it were, very little would be posted. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
We're not blurbing Dave Bolton, also referred to quite literally as a "legend". We haven't blurbed a lot of alleged "legends", in a lot of fields. When Pele dies, he'll be called one, too; he'll get the blurb by sheer numbers, I bet, but I already Oppose. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Post posting Support blurb The bottom line is that he was an influential figure and the article is in good shape PERIOD. The “he’s old” argument is overused and frankly a weak one (everyone gets old, even influential figures) TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

That he got old and died, like everyone who doesn't die young, is the content of the blurb. It doesn't say shit about his feats, his influence or what changes now. The "old man dies" story is overused and weak, hence the routine opposition. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Meherzia Labidi Maïza[]

Article: Meherzia Labidi Maïza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Univers News (in French)
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Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tunisian politician died overnight of 21/22 January. I've updated the article with her death - Dumelow (talk) 07:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks The Rambling Man, looks like someone messed up the death section a bit when adding (in good faith) the dispute over cause of death. I've given it a tidy and removed the cause of death category - Dumelow (talk) 11:09, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
No worries, marked for admin attn now. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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Mongolian Prime Minister resigns[]

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Article: Ukhnaagiin Khürelsükh (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Prime Minister of Mongolia, Ukhnaagiin Khürelsükh, resigns after COVID-19 protests. (Post)
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 125.165.82.168 (talk) 15:34, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Henryk Chmielewski (comics)[]

Article: Henryk Chmielewski (comics) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Papcio Chmiel was a comic book artist, very popular in Poland. Millions (not an exaggeration) of young people were raised on his comics. Periwinklewrinkles (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Nathalie Delon[]

Article: Nathalie Delon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
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Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Good to go for about 24 hours now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:21, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dave Bolton[]

Article: Dave Bolton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; NSWRL; Wigan Post
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Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 20:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Resignation of Canada's Governor General[]

Clear opposition to this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: Julie Payette (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The Governor General of Canada, Julie Payette, resigns following the release of a report by the Privy Council Office accusing her of harassment of civil servants. (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Toronto Sun
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Resignation of Canada's head of state. Not sure if this is ITN/R, but it's the first time in modern history that a governor general has resigned in Canada. Article is decently sourced but will need some improvement (notably under "Honours") Floydian τ ¢ 22:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I'm from the U.S. and don't know Canadian politics. I've read that Payette has direct communication with the queen but is not the queen. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 23:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
The Queen is the head of state. The governor general is her representative. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
No worries, you're already half Canadian with that unnecessary apology :) In commonwealth countries, the Prime Minister is the head of government, and the Queen is head of state. The Governor General is the representative of the Queen for that nation. Purely ceremonial role really, but still a very high ranking political office none-the-less. - Floydian τ ¢ 23:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Some Commonwealth countries. There are 31 Commonwealth nations that are republics, and the Queen is not the head of state. -dmmaus (talk) 00:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Yes, the governor general is the representative of the head of state of Canada, which makes it a pretty important position, important enough to be listed at List of current heads of state and government. But the Prime Minister is the one with all of the power, so I don't think this is notable enough for ITN, unless we're planning on making positions like the president of Israel, the president of Italy, the prime minister of Bahrain, and other similar positions ITN/R. The one thing that might be notable about this is that Payette is the first governor-general in Canadian history to resign because of a scandal. (P.S. nominator's comment is incorrect, as Romeo LeBlanc also resigned, albeit due to health reasons, so it wasn't a spicy resignation.) NorthernFalcon (talk) 23:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Resignations happen all of the time, and apparently the position is purely ceremonial, so I don't really see the importance here. Gex4pls (talk) 23:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Ceremonial position. Unless if it was a significant controversy, this should not be at ITN. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 00:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose No small cheese, she commands the armed forces, but details of the allegations are sketchy now, prone to rumour and innuendo (for starters, the report was not released). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose unless it triggers a constitutional crisis of King-Byng proportions. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 02:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose This resignation doesn't seem to portend anything for now. If it somehow affects the government and Trudeau eventually resigns as a result, then posting a blurb will be a no-brainer.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per previous posts regarding slight political significance. – Sca (talk) 14:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

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2021 Baghdad bombings[]

Article: 2021 Baghdad bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At least 32 are killed and 110 are wounded in a suicide attack in Baghdad, Iraq. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; CNN; Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Major suicide attack, first of it's kind and magnitude in 3 years. Gex4pls (talk) 22:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

ISIL claimed it; explosive belts, strapped to the bombers in a busy marketplace; to try to force Iraq to submit to becoming part of an ISIL-ruled caliphate.
Had this happened in the Western world, it would have been posted within minutes of being nominated, with every comment strongly in favour of that. Suicide bombings having been common in Iraq from 2003-2017 doesn't make this double bombing less notable. Jim Michael (talk) 10:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
For the 999th time, IS isn't an "IS-affiliated website", Amaq News Agency is (social media presence, anyway). Seriously, this isn't hard, never has been. Simply read past the headlines, read past the headlines, read past the headlines! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Amaq is the propaganda arm of IS. Jim Michael (talk) 12:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
And The Washington Post is the propaganda arm of Amazon. CNN and Fox have their favoured subnational entities, too. There's a clear difference between any thing and an affiliate of the same distinct but related thing. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:48, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
LaserLegs Could you stop putting the English speaking world over everyone else? A person killed in a bombing in Iraq is no less significant than one in the States. Just because people there don't/can't here doesn't make it less newsworthy. 180.151.224.217 (talk) 01:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
People in Iraq can en WP, providing they understand English & have internet access. Jim Michael (talk) 12:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
It's the English Wikipedia. Not sure what else to say. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Writing in English doesn't mean that we should favour the Anglosphere. Prosecution & change in a country's situation aren't requirements for posting. If you think the article could & should be improved, you're welcome to do so. Jim Michael (talk) 12:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
It couldn't be covered in a single line, or even a single, short paragraph. Your arguments could be used to reject the vast majority of mass murders. Would you be against posting this article had this double suicide bombing which killed over 30 people happened in NYC, London or Paris? The mass media give stories priority based on popularity, but we don't. Jim Michael (talk) 12:48, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes it could. "A double bombing in Baghdad which killed 32 people was claimed by IS. Everyone else condemned it." And yes, I regularly vote down "mass murders" in regions where mass murders are commonplace. It would be fascinating to see where this article is in a year. As LaserLegs calls them, they are "disaster stubs" and usually remain that way, simply because they have no encyclopedic value. And yes, if a double suicide bombing afflicted New York, London, or Paris, of course it would be newsworthy, because they are not war zones and mass murder through bombings in those locations is far from commonplace. This is about context. This particular event would not make the top 365 news stories of the year. Probably not even the top 1000. See also: Category:Suicide bombings in Baghdad, Category:Suicide bombings in London, Category:Suicide bombings in New York and Category:Suicide bombings in Paris. Cheers! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Mass murders ceased to be common in Iraq 3 years ago. Many fatal bombings have occurred in London and Paris (London attack & Paris attacks lists them). The main reason for there being less media coverage of the Baghdad bombings is that the public are less interested in them. Jim Michael (talk) 13:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
The categories speak for themselves. "many fatal bombings" have NOT occurred in London and Paris in the past 30 years. And certainly not with 32 deaths. But nice try. Nothing more to say than the two sentences I suggested for this "news". The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Bingo. Less interest, less coverage, less article information. If a single victim or killer profile ever emerges in English from this objectively obscure and very different story, I'll eat my left shoe. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Unlike the mass media, we don't measure importance by popularity. A perpetrator or victim of a mass murder having their own article isn't a requirement to be posted to ITN and there's no article about any of the people involved in the large majority of our articles about mass murders.
If you think the article is missing info it should include, you're welcome to add it. Jim Michael (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I think you've nailed it. There's literally nothing notable to report about this event, just a location, a date, a number and a perp. And the usual "everyone condemned it" blather. Two sentences in a list. Job done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:01, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
I wrote "profile", not "article". As I used to regularly remind you years ago, reading genuinely helps when arguing about mass murder norms. We have no names, no ages, no hometowns; if this was about London, Paris or Tokyo (which it isn't), we would. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
The media haven't said anything about the identities of the bombers or victims. Even if names & profiles of the victims were released, we tend not to include them in articles about mass murders. Jim Michael (talk) 10:33, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Suicide bombings are much more often described as mass murders &/or terrorist attacks than as disasters. Although they can be classed as a type of man-made disaster, the term disaster is much more often used to describe natural & accidental events.
The length & quality of the article are sufficient for ITN. It would be improved significantly if it were posted, because it would greatly increase the number of people who read & it. Most of our readers probably don't even know that it happened. Jim Michael (talk) 10:33, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
It wouldn't improve at all, there's literally nothing more to add to it. As noted, could be adequately covered in two (or three, at a push) sentences. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Kamala Harris[]

WP:SNOW. 1) This is basically a more niche version of the previously proposed inauguration blurb. 2) The only support is from an SPA. (non-admin closure) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 07:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: Kamala Harris (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Kamala Harris becomes the first female, Black, and Asian Vice President of the United States (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post; NYTimes; The Guardian; Hong Kong Standard
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (January 20)
  • Support This is a history setting event in the United States and was globally covered in the top news. It was also one of the highest viewed inaugurations due in part to enforcement of pandemic social distancing rules and the security crisis in the wake the pro-Trump attack on the US Capitol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:85:C100:16A1:0:0:0:1006 (talk) 02:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Please use Template:ITN candidate for this (and future) nominations, as RD (Recent Deaths) implies that the subject has died, which is not the case in this situation. Gex4pls (talk) 03:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose We have posted the elections but not the inauguration per consensus. I think this blurb is a trivial extension of the inauguration. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The election result was posted on ITN in November; there is no need to post an ITN item for the inauguration as well. Chrisclear (talk) 04:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Affirmed at the point of the election results. --Masem (t) 04:59, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Due to fact it needs to respect the election results that was posted in WP:ITN in November 2020, which she already won alongside with Joe Biden. 180.242.50.227 (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Contrary to popular belief, being born a certain way is not an accomplishment, nor is it a matter of historical import. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 06:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose and closer per WP:SNOW. This is pure trivia. Also, the blurb is racist.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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January 20[]

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(Posted) RD: Aslan Byutukayev[]

Article: Aslan Byutukayev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A member of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. I don't know if this is appropriate to put it in the RD section. I would withdraw this RD nom if deemed inappropriate. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes it looks fine for RD Support JW 1961 Talk 20:04, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mira Furlan[]

Article: Mira Furlan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actress best known for playing Delenn on Babylon 5. Prose in good shape but short filmography needs sourcing. Masem (t) 05:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mulyadi Tamsir[]

Article: Mulyadi Tamsir (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sindonews
Crs:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Victim of the Sriwijaya Air 182; body has just been identified on 20 January. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gex4pls: I'll change it to a start. It is over 300 char above stub if we used the DYK counter. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Nice job, I think the Personal Life and Death sections could be merged, but other than that seems good. Gex4pls (talk) 13:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Baptist Kaggwa[]

Article: John Baptist Kaggwa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monitor (Uganda)
Crs:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ugandan Roman Catholic bishop. Looks to be reasonable - Dumelow (talk) 08:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Spencer, I've added some more information now if you'd be able to take another look - Dumelow (talk) 10:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, missed the ping. My apologies for the delay. SpencerT•C 03:22, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
@WikiLove Goat:Notability is no longer a restraint on RD noms, if they have an article they are eligible :/ Gex4pls (talk) 18:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James Cross[]

Article: James Cross (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; CTV News; Montreal Gazette
Crs:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (January 20) Bloom6132 (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sibusiso Moyo[]

Article: Sibusiso Moyo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; BBC News; Reuters
Crs:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Posted - Dumelow (talk) 08:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) 2021 Madrid explosion[]

Unanimous opposition to what is seemingly a non-noteworthy event. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: 2021 Madrid explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​An explosion caused by a gas leak in Madrid, Spain kills at least three people and injures at least eight others. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC
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Nominator's comments: Article is a light at the moment as this has just happened and news networks are likely focused elsewhere. Masem (t) 17:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Gas explosions which cause fatalities are common. Frankly, I question whether this incident is even notable enough to have an article. Mlb96 (talk) 19:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – "Caused by a gas leak." [15] Fairly frequent. Minor. – Sca (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose accident, hard to believe it even warrants an encyclopedic article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose not a national catastrophe like the Beirut explosion Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There have been many explosions with higher death counts within the last two months, and we don't post those (for good reason) Gex4pls (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
BBC seems to have killed their story – at least the link doesn't work anymore.Sca (talk) 23:10, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Because there's an errant "n" in the URL. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 23:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh. Fixed. – Sca (talk) 23:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
For context, in the time since nommed an explosion at an uzbekistani power plant has killed three.[16] Gex4pls (talk) 02:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
And 32 killed by suicide bombers in Baghdad. [17]Sca (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Closed) Inauguration of Joe Biden[]

WP:SNOW. The nominator themselves opposed it; de facto withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: Inauguration of Joe Biden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Joe Biden is inaugurated (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/2021-01-19-biden-inauguration-n1254610
Crs:
  • Oppose Biden's election was posted on ITN in November; there is no need to post an ITN item for his inauguration as well. Chrisclear (talk) 10:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • (ec) We don't usually post inaugurations, which are just formalities; we posted the election. We did post Obama's first one due to its unique nature, but the only first Biden is setting is that he is old. 331dot (talk) 10:08, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Comment I agree that this item should not be posted. Chrisclear (talk) 10:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Chrisclear Why did you nominate it if you don't think it should be posted? 331dot (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
        • Because I might not be on Wikipedia in a few hours to oppose it then. Chrisclear (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
          • Chrisclear Please don't make a nomination unless you support the item being nominated. We don't preemptively nominate something to reject it, especially if the only reason is because the nominator simply won't be on Wikipedia later. That's just the way it is, none of us can be here 24/7. As I said, we don't generally post inaugurations. In the event that it was posted per a consensus, consensus can change; we can and have removed posted items. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
            • Regarding "We don't preemptively nominate something to reject it", is that a policy or something you are merely requesting? Chrisclear (talk) 10:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
              • I'm not sure what the difference is, given that many practices here are not written down, but I am requesting that you not preemptively nominate something for the simple reason that you won't be around when it might be nominated. If everyone did that, this page would be impossible to manage, sorting out good faith nominations from those just wanting to get their opinion in. The instructions on this page are for those who wish to "suggest a candidate"; you are not suggesting a candidate, you are preemptively nominating something you don't want. That is not nominating a candidate. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
    • (ec) Just to make sure, you made a nomination with the rationale that it should not be posted? Did we post Trump's? If not, we probably should not post Biden's either, unless there is some extra addition to the blurb, like the extraordinary level of security (which is what is a thing most media focus on these days). --Tone 10:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Tone Noting that we did not post the Trump inauguration(hard to link to but the discussion is in the archive). We did post Obama's due to its historic nature. 331dot (talk) 11:05, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
        331dot, here's the link for the Trump inauguration: [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2017#[Closed]_Inauguration_of_Donald_Trump]] Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose and close. The Nominator doesn't even want this posted, so why are we discussing it? As above, we posted the election and there's no need to also post the inauguration as it follows directly from that. Unless some unrest occurs or something, but that would be a separate story in its own right to be discussed if and when it happens.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose of course if something untoward happens like one of the orange followers goes rogue, we can consider it, but this is a run-of-the-mill part of the process, not noteworthy. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

*Support I hate to be different this time but I think I should. The inauguration event would be one of the most watched event this world. Even from my-country-centric point of view this is very notable. One of the main tv channel in my country has even scheduled a live report. This, this, and this too. If the nominator opposes this I'll take over. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 10:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael This is just a formality; it has long been known Biden will be president starting at noon(even if Trump and the rioters did not know). No first is being set here as with Obama. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Argh, this again. If that's the case then there should be an ITN policy that says "do not nominate news items that discuss a) regular events with a clearly determined outcome beforehand; b) ceremonies and formalities" Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Jeromi Mikhael We used to list it in ITNR as something we don't do, but it was removed. The election was the notable story here, not the formalization of its result. 331dot (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Well, if that's the case. I believe I'm not a newcomer here, but the lack of any formal criterion for ITN blurbs still confuses me to this day. I see that "The election, not the inauguration" has already been an informal criterion amongst the regulars here. Someone should really make an unofficial guide to ITN blurbs. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The results of the elections have already been posted. Yes, it will be an act seen by millions of people around the world (including me), but it's still something ordinary that, as they say above, is never published. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment For someone who oppose the posting of this event to become the blurb, it is major event that had significant attention around the world. I rather wait for this to be posted until Joe Biden is actually inaugurated at noon EST, after that it can be discussed whether the blurb can be posted or not. 180.242.50.227 (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
You seem to be saying that it should be posted and then we should discuss whether or not it should be posted? 331dot (talk) 11:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - for Trump, we posted his inauguration as a secondary mention, two days after the event, but the main focus of that story was the 2017 Women's March that occurred because of the inauguration, not the event itself. As for Obama, back in 2009 we did post his first inauguration, but looking at that it feels like ITN was a different beast back then. There are seven stories posted, and each one is less than a line in length. And the discussion was just a couple of people saying let's do it. In 2013, the proposal to post Obama's second inauguration was roundly opposed. So I'd say precedent is that, in the current ITN format, we don't post unless there's something special about it.
  • Oppose - Close it. STSC (talk) 13:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

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January 19[]

Arts and culture

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Science and technology


(Posted) RD: Don Sutton[]

Article: Don Sutton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [18]
Crs:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 21:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: V. Shanta[]

Article: V. Shanta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express ,The Times of India
Crs:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She was awarded the Padma Vibhushan, the second highest civilian award given by the Government of India.One of India's best cancer specialists. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Changing to Support - updated and cited JW 1961 Talk 13:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment The Rambling Man, Joseywales1961, I've added in a section about her death, with a citation from an RS. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 02:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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