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Narendra Modi British Prime Minister Theresa May, under pressure over her handling of Brexit, announces her intention to resign. The incumbent Bharatiya Janata Party and its allies, led by Narendra Modi (pictured), win a majority in the Indian general election. Joko Widodo is re-elected President of Indonesia, and his party, PDI-P, wins the largest share of legislative votes. The Netherlands, represented by Duncan Laurence with the song "Arcade", wins the Eurovision Song Contest. The Ibiza affair, a political scandal, causes the collapse of the Austrian government and triggers a snap election. Recent deaths: Beaton Tulk Judith Kerr Nan Winton Austin Eubanks Signe Marie Stray Ryssdal Herman Wouk Other recent events Nominate an article view - page history - related changes -

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RD: Murray Gell-Mann[]

 Count Iblis (talk) 05:31, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Portuguesa prison uprising[]

Nominator's comments: Might not get through—not as big as last year's prison riot—but still hits death toll (29 confirmed in Spanish sources) and an unexpected event, all things considered. Kingsif (talk) 21:37, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose "reported that the uprising in fact began on May 14" strange grammar. "with fighting breaking out when they refused to let police enter the prison in fear of being robbed." prisoners were afraid of being robbed? "Prisons in Venezuela are largely overpopulated" this may or may not be true, but unless this specific prison was overcrowded, it's irrelevant. Far too much of the content is attributed to Humberto Prado of the Venezuelan Prison Observatory -- which is an activist group that called it a "massacre" .. needs official sources for NPOV. If you can write an article that's got official sources or better yet eyewitness accounts from the WP:RS then fine, otherwise I'll pass. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:56, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

@LaserLegs: Suggest re-reading now. Initial effort was to get some content on there, more sources now. RS, local, official, BBC, etc. Looks to be more a dispute over visitors and maybe some overcrowding. And we know what you think of Venezuela, but some would argue NGOs are more reliable over there than the official story; everything in the article now, though, is attributed and treated fairly. Kingsif (talk) 23:07, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look in the AM if this isn't speedy posted to the MP by then. What some people call NGOs, others call activists in the employ of hard right Christofascists determined to punish the Venezuelan people for believing in economic equality for all --LaserLegs (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Re-affirm my oppose. I went looking for WP:RS to see if the title should be "uprising" or "riot" and didn't see this in headlines anywhere, either on the aggregators or on major pub (even hard right sites like Fox Noise or the WSJ) -- this item simply isn't "in the news" --LaserLegs (talk) 23:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

the BBC] not good enough for you? A lot of the world is sleeping and RS will wait until it has a solid story, we all accept news coming out of Venezuela takes time. Kingsif (talk) 23:56, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

2019 Surat fire[]

Nominator's comments: Deaths of 20 children in fire accident is saddening and unusual. The incident is covered around the world. Nizil (talk) 18:07, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment nolo on this disaster stub, but strong oppose blurbs that highlight child deaths as being somehow more tragic than anyone elses. All death is a tragedy. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:57, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• However, if only children have died, there's something to be said for including that in the blurb. If it's 20 children and 20 adults, go with "40 people", otherwise it should be fine. Kingsif (talk) 23:08, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Nope. If children are the target of some attack like Boko Haram or that Saudi bus bombing then maybe, but a random tragedy, the victims age is trivia, just like their gender, height, whatever else. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• So you wouldn't be shocked following a link saying "20 people" to then learn they were all children? Kingsif (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Kingsif: and @LaserLegs:, I have struck down the blurb as I found that the most students died in the accident were aged between 17 and 22. So children would be inappropriate term. You may change it to students if seem appropriate. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 07:34, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Students =/= children, I wonder where the reporting came from. Kingsif (talk) 07:40, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support - Looks good, short article but all referenced. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:22, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• @Sherenk1: I have expanded/updated the article. Thanks.-Nizil (talk) 07:49, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support - The accident also covered by The New York Times, Al Jazeera, Dawn. Here, 1, 2, 3 & 4. --Elton-Rodrigues (talk) 06:25, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Theresa May[]

Nominator's comments: Local news at the moment, but will probably ramp up to international news as the day progresses. Not expecting a rush of support but if you don't ask you don't get. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:28, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Wait She's stepping down as Tory leader on the 7th of June, which will only then start a new leadership contest. Worth posting, but not until something actually happens. --IrnBruFan7 (talk) 09:42, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Since the party in control is not changing, I might oppose this, but given the intertwining of her PM-ship with Brexit, I think I would support. I could see posting it now, but no problem waiting, either. 331dot (talk) 09:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - yes, 7th June is the party leader resignation date, but it won't be in the news then (she will likely stay on as prime minister until the new party leader is elected). The best times for this to be on ITN is both now and when the new party leader takes office (which will be ITN/R as a new prime minister). Carcharoth (talk) 09:47, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Carcharoth New PMs are not ITNR unless as the result of a general election,("Changes to the head of government are discussed on their own merits."); this is simply the party changing its leader. 331dot (talk) 09:56, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Technically the new PM won't be ITNR (assuming there is one, which just may be problematic if by then s/he will clearly be unable to command a Commons majority due to the possible public departure by then of enough pro-Remain Tories to try to make it harder to bring about the no-deal Brexit that any Tory will probably have to promise to be prepared to do in order to get elected by party members). However if there is a new PM it is almost inconceivable that they would not be posted despite not being technically ITNR. Tlhslobus (talk) 01:15, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I would support now as another step in the Brexit debacle if the blurb and target article were updated accordingly. She'll remain PM until the sitting head of state appoints a new one, after the leadership election. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support ITNR seems to deal with normal successions. The UK Prime Minister resigning in defeat over what is being called mismanagement of Brexit seems like a bigger deal than that. --valereee (talk) 11:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support: ( conflict) I know politicians are prone to U-turns but saying "I will resign on this date because I have failed to do X" is pretty concrete. Unconcerned about being followed up by another Brexit story, ITN is about the news and Brexit seems to be half of the news these days (although international coverage will only focus on the key details). SITH (talk) 11:50, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - tried to do an altblurb that mentions Brexit, but it is really difficult. She has clearly resigned over Brexit, but how can that be phrased neutrally? Carcharoth (talk) 11:49, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure we need to mention the reason in the blurb, that's what the news stories and article are for. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

There is precedent:

The Ibiza affair, a political scandal, causes the collapse of the Austrian government and triggers a snap election.

If you want to focus on her government, the target article would be Second May ministry. Carcharoth (talk) 11:57, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

In that case, the focus of the blurb was the scandal itself, which is easier to word neutrally. This is a blurb about Theresa May, not Brexit. 331dot (talk) 12:00, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

You are right. The blurb should be about Brexit and how it has resulted in this resignation. Carcharoth (talk) 12:06, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

The news here is not Brexit, but May resigning while citing Brexit as a reason. That can be explained in the article. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

This is very much part of the ongoing Brexit news saga. Carcharoth (talk) 12:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

It's part of it, but not the whole story(unlike the Austria example you give). I think we will just need to agree to disagree; the chips will fall where they may. 331dot (talk) 12:30, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Wait - we should post this story as and when a new leader takes over as PM. At the moment it's a little bit WP:CRYSTAL, because who knows what might happen next.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:00, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • That will be early July. No need to wait until then. Carcharoth (talk) 12:06, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

    Maybe, maybe not. If the remain-leaning Tories decide they can't support the new leader then they won't become PM, there'd probably be a general election instead. Either way, today's announcement is just the beginning of a process (or somewhere in the middle if you count it as part of the whole Brexit debacle). We've already established that individual milestones in the process, including the meaningful votes, are not worthy of ITN and it's the change of leader itself that will be the newsworthy thing, not this announcement. Because if we post this now, then it's likely people will oppose a future "Foo Bar succeeds Theresa May as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom" story, and I think the latter is the one that is more ITN-worthy.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

    It is ironic that you are quoting WP:CRYSTAL, while speculating about what might happen. Sometimes I think we just need to accept something is in the news and not try too hard to predict what may be newsworthy next month. Carcharoth (talk) 12:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support but with a preference of mentioning Brexit in the blurb, as that's the thing which makes this resignation exceptional. 49 TL 12:19, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Blurb now because it's currently in the news and derivative stories will likely be in the news for a while longer (that's even though historically we've waited till the replacement takes office. Embrace the bias I suppose.). Banedon (talk) 12:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support This is in the news now; no sense in waiting.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:29, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment alt 2 looks fine, but the update, buried half way down the article, is one sentence. I won't read this very long article, I hope the supporters have scrutinized it for BLP vios (as so often happens people support things they do not fully understand) --LaserLegs (talk) 12:31, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Not a traditional changing of the guard as far as ITN is concerned, but still exceedingly newsworthy given the context.--WaltCip (talk) 12:43, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Wait We shouldn't be posting this story twice, which is effectively what we'll do when we put up the inevitable blurb saying who the new Prime Minister is. Just leave this story until we know the result of the leadership election. 88.215.17.228 (talk) 12:46, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment... Oppose ... because I didn't want to cast the only outright oppose vote. It's in the news all right, but a) it was certainly not unexpected, b) the announcement has no immediate official effect, and c) it would be more meaningful to readers to blurb the eventual announcement of her successor, IMO. – Sca (talk) 13:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Someone must have begged her to stay on those extra few days? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• It is in the news now. Why wait until late July? You are right, it is most definitely in the news. It is the top news on all the major news sites I have been to so far. Do you think ITN would have failed to cover Margaret Thatcher's resignation? David Cameron's resignation was merged with the referendum result. Carcharoth (talk) 13:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

David Who? – Sca (talk) 14:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

There is no real comparison with Thatcher, who, for better or worse, was a significant transformative figure in the history of her country (and arguably elsewhere too), while May is a brief transitional figure who is resigning as expected precisely because of her inability to transform anything (arguments over who is to blame for that are not relevant to whether her departure belongs on our front page). Tlhslobus (talk) 01:05, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• Question. What does the European Parliament election have to do with this? 331dot (talk) 13:20, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• It means she can escape being pushed out by the predicted dismal Tory result on Monday. Strong and stable to the very end. But I agree, not sure why it has been included in the nomination as a relevant article. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose we don't post intentions to do things, we post when they actually happen. Even then I'm not sure that TM stepping down as party leader should be covered, we should wait until we get a new PM or a new election (whichever happens first). Thryduulf (talk) 13:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes we do post intentions to do things:

    "After the United Kingdom votes to leave the European Union, British Prime Minister David Cameron (pictured) announces he will resign by October."

    He actually went by mid-July, but this idea that intended resignations are not posted at ITN is false. Carcharoth (talk) 14:00, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
    • The main news there was the referendum result not the intention to resign. We didn't post the intentions to abdicate of the Dutch queen or Japanese emperor, we waited until they happened. Thryduulf (talk) 14:47, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
      • Indeed, there is no other news today other than an intent to resign. Interesting, but we all knew it was going to happen: this is nothing more than a formalisation of something that hundreds of millions of people across Europe already knew. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:52, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support I had general issues with putting the intent to resign as an item, but as I understand it, the process for the reelection of a new PM basically has started. May will stay on as PM until the election concludes, estimated to be mid-July, so a second ITN story there would be reasonable. MAy's article is generally okay, one section seems to have an unnecessary orange tag. --Masem (t) 13:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose/Wait - Look for it when you see it. CoatCheck (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose didnt happen yet. Plus this info is just meh type. Will anyone nominate if PM of Cambodia expresses his intentions to resign ? --DBigXrayᗙ 14:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

@DBigXray: Is the PM of Cambodia trying and failing to negotiate an exit from the European Union? 331dot (talk) 14:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• 331dot FYI, I am following this topic from the very beginning. This is a news specific to the British Politics. We should see how this one specific event (only the "intention") affects others. This should be enough hint to clarify my position. regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 15:33, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose we don't normally post "announcements of intention". The Rambling Man (talk) 14:46, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • The extensive news coverage is about more than the intent to resign. The difficulty is coming up with a blurb that reflects headlines such as:

    'Theresa May quits: UK set for new PM by end of July'; Brexit brings down May, Johnson stakes leadership claim; May quits amid Brexit impasse, will be gone in weeks; May standing down after failing to negotiate Brexit deal; Theresa May, Undone by Brexit, Will Step Down as Prime Minister; May to resign after failures on Brexit.

    Though actually, those headlines make clear that the nomination should have focused on the reasons for the resignation. There won't be this sort of coverage when the new leader takes over. Carcharoth (talk) 15:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
    • Please see my response below. This is all about Brexit. Nominate it for Ongoing and you'll get my support. May's departure is simply overdue collateral damage. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
      • How about a blurb along the lines of: "The ongoing Brexit impasse results in British Prime Minister Theresa May announcing her resignation, triggering a leadership contest to replace her."? Carcharoth (talk) 16:29, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Wait until the transition takes place. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:52, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Why is there this focus on trying to decide which stage of a process should go on ITN? Surely the point to put something up is when it is in the news. This is major news, that has been leading the news pages of nearly all the major news sites in Europe and the USA and the rest of the Anglophone world for most of the day. It is getting far more coverage than the Austrian government collapse, yet there appears to be entrenched opposition to this because it is Brexit and no-one really knows how to handle the disjointed way the 'milestones' happen. I really don't get why the Austrian government thing (which didn't really feature much at all in the news) got posted and this event might not get posted. (Brythones said it much better than I did.) Carcharoth (talk) 15:13, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
    • I'd support Brexit going back into Ongoing. After all, this event, the next few weeks of leadership elections, possible general elections, and eventual Brexit (or not) are all related to the core event of Brexit. May's departure is incidental. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:19, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support this is a major news topic. Brythones (talk) 15:06, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Wait until the resignation is official. This isn't even the first time that May herself has announced an intention to resign. --Jayron32 15:18, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • She made a statement in Downing Street to the nation, and was nearly in tears at the end. That was the key moment. This is the real deal. There will be very little coverage of this on 7 June. The news coverage is happening now. Carcharoth (talk) 15:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
    • Not likely. This will be heavily covered for the next month or so while the new leadership is sorted out. And then what angle they adopt on Brexit. This story is about BREXIT not Terry May and her tears. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
      • The ongoing coverage of the leadership election will be in UK news media. The worldwide coverage is of this moment. Carcharoth (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
        • That makes no difference at ITN. That this is simply a byproduct of Brexit is the overruling factor here. Her resignation announcement is just meh. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• (ec) It IS official. She will officially resign on 7 June. She stood outside Downing Street behind a podium for goodness sake. This is not like her other vague announcements that she would step aside when Brexit was over (ha!).-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:29, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

I'll tell you what is news - I don't believe a sitting British Prime Minister has ever broke down in tears in public before. I watched the speech and was all for saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out" until the last three seconds, then I just sat there in silence. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:46, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

One may feel sorry for a person in such a predicament, but empathy does not make the event more newsworthy. – Sca (talk) 22:02, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

At least there was no fit of coughing, and the numbers on the door of No 10 didn't fall off. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:26, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. I would note that this is a good example of an event that gets more attention when it is announced than when it actually happens; since this is In the news, it should be posted when it is in the news, which is now. 331dot (talk) 15:20, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Added altblurb3 and altblurb4. I support blurbing this, as it seems to be sure-fire intent, this time. I prefer altblurb3 (100% biased) > original blurb/altblurb4 (50% biased) > others. --qedk (t 桜 c) 15:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support alt4. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:17, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Wait the resignation is happening soon and the new Prime Minister will require a blurb. I think we should combine the blurbs regarding May's departure and the new person's appointment. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support. I understand the "intention" argument of the opposers, but this is "in the news" worldwide, regardless of predictable it was. - SchroCat (talk) 17:47, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support Agreed with the above. I think we should post both the resignation now, and the succession of the new PM in late-July. Davey2116 (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support Alt IV. Knowing how ITN works, even if we 'wait' odds are people would still oppose its addition. Nice4What (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Tentative ready lots of commentary on this one, consensus seems leaning towards posting now. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:11, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support Agree with several comments above that, yes, this is more newsworthy now than it will be in a few weeks. Kingsif (talk) 21:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

A universally expected event involving the universally expected person, who's been in the Brexit 'news' for nearly three years, is more newsworthy than the identity of her unknown successor – whose task it will be to achieve some degree of order in the interminable UK-EU brouhaha? – Sca (talk) 21:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh, no (and I pity the person who comes next), but this is sooner than expected and taking over the news. May resigning is, let's accept it, definitely news; if we wait for the successor (also news in itself) this will no longer be the story and we likely wouldn't condense them into one blurb (i.e. we'd veto '[X] becomes UK PM after May resigns because Brexit' because of squishing multiple stories and old news). Kingsif (talk) 22:00, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support. Questions are being asked as to why this hasn't been run yet. Daniel Case (talk) 22:12, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support this is page 1, above-the-fold news everywhere. If her "intention" to resign is newsworthy, then it's newsworthy. – Levivich 00:26, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose Objectively this isn't really significant news, as distinct from an excuse for the media to make a fuss about it to try to sell more copies and more advertising (where the story sells largely for 'human interest' reasons, including all those pictures of her briefly in tears, which have a lot in common with similar showbiz celeb stories that we quite rightly don't post on our front page). Her resignation had been expected for a long time, if only because she had already announced she was going to resign. All we really have is a date for when the race to succeed her officially begins (unofficially it has been going on ever since she lost her Commons majority 2 years ago, and more intensely recently after her previous announcement that she would be resigning). We still don't know precisely when she will cease to be PM (because that depends on how long the succession race lasts, and just conceivably also on whether the new Tory leader can command a majority in the Commons), let alone who her successor will be and what that will or won't mean for whether or when Brexit happens and whether it's with or without a deal. In effect it's just another fairly minor and fully expected development in the ongoing Brexit saga (and arguably even less significant in that context in real terms than the supposedly 'meaningless' Euro election results expected on Sunday, when her party is expected to get humiliated). I think it unlikely that a similar story would be posted about most other countries. I expect to support posting any new PM, whenever there actually is one. Tlhslobus (talk) 00:39, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support although her departure has long been predicted, the actual announcement of her resignation is still significant and received worldwide coverage. -Zanhe (talk) 05:30, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted. Sandstein 06:55, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
• Post-posting Oppose until it actually happens and when the Britishers have a new PM. --Invisible Lad (talk) 07:39, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

May 23[]

RD: Zakir Rashid Bhat[]

Nominator's comments: "India's most wanted" militant Sherenk1 (talk) 08:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks in part to a slew of IP s, the article is currently a mess and needs to be fixed first. At the moment oppose. Regards SoWhy 10:33, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose once it's written in English prose, I'll take another look. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Arolsen Archives (13 Million Nazi Era Archives Made Available Online[]

(Closed) 2019 European Parliament election[]

(Posted) RD: Beaton Tulk[]

Nominator's comments: Well sourced and updated --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:35, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support No issues. Looks good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:01, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support satisfactory. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:26, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) 2019 Indian general election[]

Nominator's comments: Results will be announced within 24 hours, so we can update the blurb then. Posting it now so that ors can take note of comments to improve article to post in ITN. I believe more prose will be needed especially in the Results section. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:46, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Wait till the complete result gets declared.

• Support Article is being updated, major news outlets are all-but-calling it, and given the reason for Modi's surprise victory (recent tensions with Pakistan) and Pakistan's recent missile test this seems like major news --valereee (talk) 10:27, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• The election results are halfway through and the BJP is leading by over 20 seats over the majority (295, as of now). In any case, the National Democratic Alliance will win since the next largest party is leading in 50 seats or so. Added a speculative blurb to reflect that. And obviously, wait till results are declared (will take 6 hours approximately). --qedk (t 桜 c) 10:31, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose unless and until results section is expanded to similar quality as rest of article, and tenses (i.e. "will be") are changed to reflect completion of the election. If and when any of that is done, consider this a full support without having to ping me to change it. --Jayron32 10:57, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support subject to update and final result. Trends and leads show that result is unlikely to change so I am supporting the ALTBlurb. I proposed it according to the 2014 election ITN blurb.-Nizil (talk) 11:25, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• The final results, i.e. leads -> won, are now being officially declared. Let us wait a few more hours, till enough "won" declarations are out to officially confirm Mr Modi's victory. The results section is now cleaner than when this nom was made. I agree, we need more prose in the results section. I am just waiting for multiple WP:RS to publish the text on the results, and then we can summarize them in our own words, thereby meet our WP:V and other content norms. Other than all that, I support the nom. The article was one of the top 25 high traffic en-wikipedia articles in April, and I suspect it will be in the top 25 or 100 again in May. Suggests that it is a notable subject. If we decide to put out a blurb and something needs a check, please leave me a message on my talk page. I have to take care of kids and do some RL chores, but will keep an eye and help if I can. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:45, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support. As soon as it is announced (a few hours). El_C 12:05, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

• Let's decide on the blurb. El_C 18:33, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support Alternate Blurb Original one has strange grammar. Rockin 13:27, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

  What's "strange grammar"? --qedk (t 桜 c) 13:32, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose "Candidates with criminal allegations" has some staggering allegations "with 27 accused with serious allegations such as rape, murder or attempted murder." but has no details either in the article or the ref -- of which there is one. This is a no-go for me. Also "with 27 accused with serious allegations" is 'weird grammar' --LaserLegs (talk) 14:06, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

• I have taken that phrase out. If you wish to retain it some other form, please see the article's talk page. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:29, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

• Added altblurb3, consecutive terms almost never occur in Indian politics. [2] --qedk (t 桜 c) 14:53, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support but I'd like to add that our blurb should include Modi, since winning the most seats in a parliamentary system decides the person who holds the office of Prime Minister. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:15, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
  • By what process will he be appointed PM? In Canada, the governor general does it after the legislative election is complete. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:29, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
    • The president invites the leader of the majority party (here, Narendra Modi) to form a government at the centre. --qedk (t 桜 c) 16:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comments: [a] The final results can be seen here. Based on the 402 "wins" and 138 "leading-but-pending" officially declared, Modi and the BJP alliance have officially crossed the 272 "won" mark already, i.e. won the majority according to their Election Commission. (the first two blurbs are now supported by the official results) [b] the BJP with its alliance is leading on many more, confirming the landslide-victory call of all the international media I have checked so far (e.g. Australia, Canada, France, Japan, UK, US, etc) plus their domestic media. [c] I have added some more prose with sources to the results section after the table. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Added. Chose to go with alt.2, for now. Special thanks goes Ms Sarah Welch, for all her efforts. El_C 19:00, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

• the opposition parties have accused the NDA government is destroying democratic institutions and processes. is "strange grammar" --LaserLegs (talk) 10:38, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

  You realise my question was regarding the blurb right? Snark is fine, don't overdo it, just. --qedk (t 桜 c) 18:23, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

May 22[]

(Posted) RD: Judith Kerr[]

Nominator's comments: Needs references. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:58, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

• I have fond memories of reading The Tiger Who Came to Tea to my kids (and equally fond memories of Sean Lock's somewhat vicious parody The Tiger Who Came For A Pint). I'll have a look for sources, and hopefully we'll fix this before the day is out. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:55, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - should all now be properly sourced. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:25, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support Good to go. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:09, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support G2G. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:04, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

May 21[]

(Closed) Kami Rita[]

RD: Binyavanga Wainaina[]

Nominator's comments: Prize-winning Kenyan writer. Could use some more refs, article is almost there. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:04, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support: I agree with Sherenk1, Wainaina is prize-winning and the "Most Influential People in the World" mention is great. I added a reference two two lines that seemed unreferenced previously; the article looks good to me. If there are specific suggestions for improvements, I'd be happy to work on s. = paul2520 (talk) 02:39, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

I added several citations. No more cn tags. Pinging Sherenk1 and Stephen. = paul2520 (talk) 15:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

• The raw URLs on publications should be converted to proper citations then it's good to go. Stephen 23:28, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

@Stephen:  Done. = paul2520 (talk) 12:51, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Man Booker International Prize 2019[]

Nominator's comments: First Arabic writer. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sherenk1: Generally ITN worthy but the article contains no references for the winning entry, just shortlist and longlist. That needs to be fixed first. Also, that she is the first Arabic writer to win is not in the article. Regards SoWhy 08:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

@SoWhy: Support - MBI prize is second biggest prize to Nobel for international literature. I have fixed the issues in the original article posted by commenter. 9:26, 22 May 2019

• ( conflict) Support. Article is referenced and updated and Man Booker Prize is generally ITN worthy anyway. I proposed an altblurb that is more in line with the article. However, BBC says she is the first Arabic winner while The Guardian says she is the first winner to write in Arabic which is not the same since non-Arabic people can write in Arabic and Arabic people can write in other languages. If this cannot be resolved, I suggest altblurb2 be used which omits either. Regards SoWhy 08:58, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now. TRM is correct, I missed that part on ITNR. I'll support the nom once the article about al-Harthi is of sufficient quality. Regards SoWhy 09:57, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I've fixed the blurbs to match house style. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:12, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment please note, ITNR is clear about the target in this case: Unless otherwise noted, the winner of the prize is normally the target article. i.e. the target article must be Jokha al-Harthi which is basically a stub, so oppose. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

@SoWhy: and @The Rambling Man: - This last year entry shows the Man Booker article as bold. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:40, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Contrary to the rules at ITNR then. Just because someone made a mistake, no need to repeat it. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:47, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

To be fair, the reason that mistake was made last year was because even though there was consensus that the article on the author wasn't up to scratch and if it ran we'd need to bold either the prize or the book while leaving the author unbolded, some guy called "The Rambling Man" complained that it hadn't been posted. ‑ Iridescent 17:18, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Oddly, it seems that the consensus in that discussion was that "the winner of the prize" referred to the winning book, not the winning author.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Nobody normally listens to me when I complain, I don't see why that time was any different. And just because I can assess consensus, it doesn't mean I agree with it. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose author article is basically a stub, book has no article, and prize article is not suitably referenced to be featured on the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:30, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Nan Winton[]

Nominator's comments: First female newsreader on the BBC. Died on 11 May but only announced in sources today. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:13, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:15, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Apparently things doesn't need votes in order to be posted. Interesting. INeedSupport ^:3 17:48, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

If the article is of sufficient quality an RD is presumed to be postable. Admins can use their discretion in such cases.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, absolutely no problem here unless you can see any issues with the article? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:20, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I didn't really see any problems with the article. I just thought that votes are required in order to post things. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ INeedSupport ^:3 19:23, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Not if we assume that some of our admins are capable of assessing article quality of RDs. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:35, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

May 20[]

(Closed) RD: Niki Lauda[]

(Posted) 2019 Indonesian general election[]

Nominator's comments: Legislative election is pending official sources, but I imagine there will be results by the time this gets posted. Juxlos (talk) 19:46, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support Notable enough, assuming it's all true, sourced, and of sufficient quality. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:13, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support - Good. Kim Dong KyuSpeaking 18:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment still orange tagged for updates in two sections -- either update the content or if it's adequate remove the tags. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

• Updates resolved (and tags removed). Juxlos (talk) 23:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:27, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment – BBC says six dead in post-election riot. – Sca (talk) 13:08, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

• Propose change of hook to: At least six people are killed in post-election riots in Jakarta, Indonesia after the 2019 Indonesian general election resulted in the reelection of Joko Widodo, with his party PDI-P winning the most parliamentary seats. Juxlos (talk) 21:31, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) Game of Thrones[]

May 19[]

May 18[]

(Posted) RD: Signe Marie Stray Ryssdal[]

Nominator's comments: Recent death of a Norwegian lawyer and politician. Thsmi002 (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

• Weak support sparse but satisfactory. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:25, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Austin Eubanks[]

Nominator's comments: New article that is well sourced. Thsmi002 (talk) 13:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose This is a perfect match of the Bartman clause in WP:1E. Every report referenced in the article is centered on Columbine and it's lasting impact (just as every "where are they now" story treats Bartman). GreatCaesarsGhost 15:48, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support Looks to be adequately referenced. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose a few unreferenced claims, and I'm inclined to agree with GCG re 1E but this is ITN not AFD, so while the article exists and if it gets to be in okay shape, there's not much we can do here about it. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:51, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
  • IAR says we can do whatever we want - if enough ors agree with me, it will not be posted. But others are free to support because they feel the target does not fail 1E OR they agree with you that WP:N should not be argued at ITNC. My argument against entering an AFD in response to a nom is a) it is pointy, & b) it allows a single user to sidetrack the nom, even if it's ultimately kept. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:44, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

I removed the one unreferenced claim I saw. Thsmi002 (talk) 02:56, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:44, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Ibiza affair[]

 Colonestarrice (talk) 19:17, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

• A better blurb is needed and the article needs better referencing, otherwise this is a big story that is fit for ITN. --Tone 19:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
• The Russians are funding and supporting ultra-rightwing nationalists? I'm shocked. SHOCKED. The article is missing refs, not MP ready. --LaserLegs (talk)
• Comment I added some more refs, I hope it's sufficient now. Colonestarrice (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

And I changed the blurb. Colonestarrice (talk) 20:36, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment since the election will presumably be ITNR, this can be covered then. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:53, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

A scandal, which is widely considered the biggest one of the second republic, and the sudden end of a government (an extraordinary controversial one in addition), is, in my opinion, more interesting than a normal election. Colonestarrice (talk) 21:35, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Sure, which is presumably why you proposed the nomination. Thanks for reiterating your interest in getting the story posted. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:40, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support – Alt2, which I hope is a bit clearer. (For any users who understand German, here's the video.) – Sca (talk) 21:36, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

PS: "Ibiza affair" may not ring a bell with most Eng.-lang. readers. Suggest some generic title, such as "2019 Austrian political controversy." ("Affair" may be associated with sexual peccadillos; "scandal" may strike some as overwrought.) Sca (talk) 21:46, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Agree with that. Right now, proposals look like the worst kind of tabloid journalism ("affair", "showcasing", "revelation", etc etc). Let's not forget this is an encyclopedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I decline to debate your comment (expected), and you seem to be ignoring my disapproval of "affair" and "scandal," but IMO "revelations" (linked to the article) is a perfectly NPOV use of the word for the contents of the video, which is all over the Net. – Sca (talk) 22:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

PS: Would you care to comment on the aforementioned title of the article? Sca (talk) 22:09, 18 May 2019 (UTC) ( conflict)

Sure, it's crappy, non-intuitive, non-encyclopedic, might be a worthy redirect but nothing more. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:11, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Decline away. I was agreeing with your general point. But I embellished it with a refusal to dip into tabloidism with garbage like "revelations". Encyclopedias don't use those terms. The press who want to sell newspapers might do. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:05, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

In the interest of accuracy, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nike-Inc - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 00:30, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, well I don't like the newly extant use of "published" to mean posted on a website, but I suppose "reports" could be substituted for "revelations" in this instance. Sca (talk) 22:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I think we've generally accepted "published" to include "published on the internet" for about ... 20 years. Time moves on. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:15, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Who's we? Not usual in U.S. English, in my experience. – Sca (talk) 22:20, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Well I guess that's symptomatic of the US who currently seem determined to return their own universe to the 1970s. Disgraceful really. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

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"Determined to return their own universe to the 1970s." – WP:NAT
– Speaking of which, how's that Brexit project of yours going? – Sca (talk) 02:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean, it's nothing to do with me. And it's not nationalist ing, that's simply a statement of fact. But good try!! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:25, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

"a key Freedom Party (FPÖ) colleague" – Gudenus is not important enough to deserve 5 words. You mentioned the FPÖ twice, considering that most people don't know what the FPÖ is, that is a bit superfluous in my opinion. "...Colleague resign following revelations..." – to mention individual resignations is redundant since the whole government is gone after all. "...revelations of unethical politics..." – some say it's unethical others say it's immoral, illegal, corrupt... what we can all agree on is that it is "highly controversial" .Colonestarrice (talk) 07:40, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Agree allusion to Gudenus can be dropped. FYI, since you apparently understand German, here's German Wiki's version:

Nach dem Rücktritt Heinz-Christian Straches als Vizekanzler und FPÖ-Parteiobmann im Zuge der "Ibiza-Affäre" hat Bundeskanzler Sebastian Kurz vorgezogene Neuwahlen in Österreich vorgeschlagen."

Parteiobmann was a new one to me. – Sca (talk) 15:13, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I orange-tagged the reactions proseline. Needs to be fixed. I don't speak German. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:10, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support alt3 – short and concise. Colonestarrice (talk) 11:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support – Alt3 – Yes it is (if possibly a bit thin?) – although I suggest "scandal" be replaced by "controversy" or "imbroglio." This topic remains prominently in the news. Sca (talk) 13:28, 19 May 2019 (UTC) ( conflict)

Imbroglio? How about "pecadillo" or "hullabaloo"?WaltCip (talk) 13:54, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Peccadillo is subliminally raunchy. Hullabaloo his a nice ring to it but makes me think of Cat Ballou. – Sca (talk) 14:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support Alt3/4 Easy to understand, and general support for government-ending political scandal Kingsif (talk) 13:23, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Alt3 can be simplified a bit more "The Ibiza affair, an Austrian political scandal, has resulted in the end of the current government and a snap election." --Masem (t) 14:53, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

PT: "results in." – Sca (talk) 14:59, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Added alt 4 Kingsif (talk) 15:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support alt4 – changed "Kurz government" to "current government" and "dissolution" to "end", otherwise it's fine, but you really need to post it now before it becomes completely redundant. Colonestarrice (talk) 17:37, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support –definitely for ITN. Which blurb is used I leave for others to decide.BabbaQ (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted, slightly modified blurb. --Tone 18:16, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment – Thanks to all for getting this complex topic boiled down a succinct, readable blurb.
  Suggest minor revision to read: "The Ibiza affair, a political scandal, causes the collapse of the Austrian government and triggers a snap election." (current is redundant). – Sca (talk) 20:42, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2019[]

Nominator's comments: Nominating it now so we can discuss blurb layout which is discussed each year. BabbaQ (talk) 08:13, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose not updated, no winner. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:39, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
• Obviously can't post yet, but everything else around it seems reasonably well documented and sourced for the event. Basically just looks like once the final vote tally is there, it will be "complete" to post, barring any oddities. --Masem (t) 17:56, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
• You're about four hours early, the final hasn't even started yet and voting takes several hours. Kingsif (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
  • That's a semi-standard practice of nominating ITNR items earlier for prepping them. Brandmeister^talk 18:58, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
    • The comment was more about the fact that a lot of the main article content should come from the final, so it was drastically under-developed, i.e. that ESC is one ITN/R that can't be prepped much in advance, and also has very generic blurb wording (little ITN prep) but needs that article coverage from after the event. Kingsif (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support Contest is now over. Duncan has won. Congrats! We should use an image of him, probably his image on his page. --PootisHeavy (talk) 23:09, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
• The scoreboard section is missing data and is awkwardly formatted. Also some references missing at lower-level awards. --Tone 08:27, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support UK amassed 16 more points than Jemini did in 2003. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
• Posted, looks fine now. --Tone 18:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
• @Tone: Double quote marks on song titles? -- AxG / ✉  18:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

  Indeed, and not in italics. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

(Posted) Australia general election[]

Nominator's comments: Exit polls initially indicated Labor won, but its leader Shorten has now conceded based on actual results giving the governing coalition the most seats(though not a majority, at least yet) 331dot (talk) 14:17, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

• Strongly support This is a big day for Australia. Chongkian (talk) 15:36, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support. Anarchyte (talk | work) 16:32, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support. El_C 18:28, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support very good article, updated Kingsif (talk) 18:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
• ITNR stuffs. --qedk (t 桜 c) 18:58, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support but we don't need to include the year of the election, it's hardly ITN if it's 2018 (or 2020 for that matter). The Rambling Man (talk) 20:55, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to pipe it. 331dot (talk) 00:48, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

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• Support - Good article. Referenced. Good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 00:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - Once all the votes are counted, I would suggest changing the blurb to reference whether Morrison has won a majority government or a minority government. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support but Change the blurb - the fact that the Coalition won the most seats is not directly relevant; there were scenarios where they could have won the most seats but lost government. More importantly, I haven't seen any RS describe the win in those words. Blurb should replace "wins the most seats in the Australian federal election" with something like "retains government at the Australian federal election". Adpete (talk) 04:38, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

• I chose to go with the original blurb since it seemed more cogent and since PM already implies the position was retained. Also, "retains government" just sounds a bit awkward. El_C 05:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Added. El_C 05:23, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

(Closed) 2019 redefinition of SI base units[]

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