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March 19[]

Wikipedia mirror sites[]

Hi, I have seen but now could not find the page on the list of Wikipedia mirror sites (content of sites which copied from Wikipedia). Could anyone point me to the page please? Thanks in advance. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

CASSIOPEIA do you mean this? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:07, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
HickoryOughtShirt?4 Thanks. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

How to report/nominted article to be no longer good/featured article?[]

Where it very excatly? Dawid2009 (talk) 10:39, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Dawid2009 You go to Wikipedia:Good article reassessment or Wikipedia:Featured article review, as the case may be, and closely follow the guidance on those pages: Bhunacat10 (talk), 12:45, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

How do i cite or do referencing about a persaon i want to write about? a person i am interviewing?[]

How do i cite or do referencing about a persaon i want to write about? a person i am interviewing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi! If you're asking whether you can use the information you get from interviewing someone, I'm afraid you can't use that here on Wikipedia. That's WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH, and we never use it, not in any article. --valereee (talk) 14:40, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
That said, if you publish the interview, then the published contents can be used to cite facts in the article. You can't just go talk to someone and then use what they said in the Wikipedia article. Basically, some reader of the Wikipedia article must be able to go out and find where the facts of the article are published to read/view them themselves. †dismas†|(talk) 17:25, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
If you have WP:Reliable sources about this person, see Help:Referencing for beginners. Also WP:Your first article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

2019 MAC football standings[]

What No 2019 Kent State 2019 Miami And 2019 Ohio Articles. Because the creator was on Vacation. (talk) 18:06, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

You may use the wizard at WP:YFA to create any articles you think are missing. RudolfRed (talk) 18:12, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia; All That[]

Hi there,

My name is Nolan M. I was reading through your information about the Nickelodeon television show named All That. I saw that the start date of the television show is started on December 24, 1994. The date that the Nickelodeon show All That started was on Saturday January 21, 1995. I was wondering how to this information on your page? I do not have a source to site this information. I have autism and was reading through your page, and noticed this mistake. My sister is helping me to type this. Thank you and have a nice day.


Nolan M. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:51, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello. You may wish to comment on the talk page of the article (Talk:All That) so that other ors who follow that page can assist you. Keep in mind that the show may have aired on different dates in different countries. 331dot (talk) 19:53, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Nolan M. - according to IMDB (which is not a completely reliable source) an episode of All That was released on 24 Dec. 1994, but it does not say when it was first aired - it may not have aired until January 21, 1995 - there was an initial episode released on 16 Apr. 1994, then the one released on 24 Dec. 1994, and others released on 7 Jan. 1995, 14 Jan. 1995, 21 Jan. 1995, 28 Jan. 1995, etc., but IMBD gives only the release dates, not the dates they were first shown - hope this helps with your research - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 01:26, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Citation Count[] is the eighth-most cited domain with about 110 000 citations.

Hi there - I've been asked to raise this question from an OTRS contact (and given permission to do so)

I've seen people give citation counts for how many times a source is cited in Wikipedia (e.g. Daily Telegraph 10,000 times etc)

The individual was wondering how this was done, and if it could be done for Billboard.

I considered a couple of other potential forums, but since it wasn't about assessing the viability of a particular source, here seemed a good first stop. If people think elsewhere is good, happy to repost there.

Cheers! Nosebagbear (talk) 21:41, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear: coincidentally, as part of this WMF research project, a graph has been produced that lists the most-cited domains on enwiki. Looking at the graph, has roughly 110,000 citations. – Teratix 01:40, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
@Teratix: - thanks, I'll pass it on and see if was what they were looking for! Nosebagbear (talk) 10:14, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Special:LinkSearch is sometimes used to count online sources. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:07, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Trying to upload a photo[]

Hood evening.

My name is Marta Sedes von Dehn, great grand-daughter of Lili Dehn who is a subject of content in Wikipedia. Neither me or any other member of the family wrote the content about Lili Dehn.

I have finally been able to remove a picture in that contact that was completely wrong for it was not her. I have been trying to upload another picture, this time a correct one, but it will not allow me to do so. Apparently, to any picture about my grandmother that I have saved in my computer, Wikipedia will not grant me permission to upload. Of course, they are not "taken with my camera" for Lili Dehn passed away in 1963, and all pictures that we have have been scanned and shared amongst family members.

So I would like to know how can I upload a picture of Lili Dehn from a file in my computer.

Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martasedes (talkcontribs) 22:49, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@Martasedes: Thank you for your question! If you would like to provide a picture to Wikipedia, I advise you to upload it on Wikimedia Commons, so it can be used on all Wikimedia projects, via this link. You can also send an email, if uploading doesn't work or if you simply prefer to do so, to containing the image and the copyright tag you would prefer. --MrClog (talk) 23:34, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
@Martasedes: Establishing the copyright ownership of a photo taken by a family member is a mess. It's a truly silly piece of copyright law. Wikipedia's rules are cumbersome because we try hard to follow the law, and the law does not accomodate this very well at all. I feel that if you have possession of the physical photograph, you can justify a claim that you inherited the copyright when you inherited the photograph. So, don't say you are the photographer: say instead that you own the copyright. I'm not a lawyer and Wikipedia volunteer are prohibited from giving legal advice, so take this as a personal opinion. Clearly, if there is any doubt in your mind that the photographer's heirs (if other than yourself) would object, then don't do this. If the photograph was taken professionally, this approach does not apply: the copyright belongs to the professional photograper. -Arch dude (talk) 02:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

March 20[]

Reference help needed[]

Resolved: 01:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I am attempting to cite a reference using a template, thus: <ref>{{cite web |title=Jill Banner |url=|82466/Jill-Banner/ |website=Turner Classic Movies |publisher=WarnerMedia |accessdate=20 March 2019}}</ref> -- which renders as below:[1]


  1. ^ "Jill Banner". Turner Classic Movies. WarnerMedia. Retrieved 20 March 2019. Text "82466/Jill-Banner/ " ignored (help)

The link does not function as intended, and the error message doesn't provide me with any solution -- help!2606:A000:1126:28D:3873:46A8:372F:FD65 (talk) 00:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello IP user, the problem here appears to be the pipe character | after '9300' which is causing the template to interpret the rest of the URL as a separate parameter. The solution is to replace the character with the workaround template {{pipe}} like so: <ref>{{cite web |title=Jill Banner |url={{pipe}}82466/Jill-Banner/ |website=Turner Classic Movies |publisher=WarnerMedia |accessdate=20 March 2019}}</ref>Teratix 01:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! That works. —2606:A000:1126:28D:3873:46A8:372F:FD65 (talk) 01:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

tablet: how to separate 'population total figure's year' by 'the base year of population' and 'the base year of population density'?[]

I want to know how to add it to a tablet when the base year of population and population density is different. Can I separate the 'population total figure's year' by 'the base year of population' and 'the base year of population density'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dina Park (talkcontribs) 07:52, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

For other ors, the question appears to be spurred by Jeju City, which doesn’t seem to have year parameters. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 13:37, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I just played around with the parameters and tried to add years in parenthesis after the population numbers but it introduced a template error. I will try later when I’m not on my phone to see if adding citations works better. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 14:01, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
The total population field can be sourced with a citation indicating the year, but if you try to add a source after the population_density_km2 infobox value, it disappears. Odd. I'll have to add a note at the infobox template talk page. @Dina Park: I'm not sure I answered your question though. Can you rephrase and provide more detail? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Posed question at Village Pump instead. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

biography infobox alignment[]

I have noticed that most biography pages have their infobox aligned, so that it looks neater. I applied this to another biography article, but had my undone because the user claims that the alignment is unnecessary. I wanted to know if they are right or not. Thanks. --SacredDragonX (talk) 12:10, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

To avoid people having to guess what you are talking about, see this and this discussion. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:35, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
( conflict)@SacredDragonX: They are right in what they say in that inserting spaces in the infobox markup makes absolutely no difference to how the information renders on the page and is basically a bit of a waste of effort. Where no spaces are left at all, (I.e.|parameter=information) it can be less easy to read. Template:Infobox person does show all the parameters aligned but many infoboxes have been in place for quite some time and ing existing i/bxs to reflect this would really seem to be a matter of personal preference. It is not all that useful in the grand scheme of things. In some infoboxes you can find a parameter which is too long to fit an alignment which if 'amended' looks odd in the markup. Eagleash (talk) 12:43, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
hmm, so if it comes down to personal preference, I should just leave it, then? Also any infoboxes I encounter in the future I should just leave, even if they're not aligned? --SacredDragonX (talk) 13:06, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
The earlier part of Template:Infobox person shows the parameters aligned, but the later part of the same page, Template:Infobox person#Example, shows single spaces, not aligned. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:10, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
SacredDragonX, there are so many other gnomish s that would be so much more helpful! If you use your ing time and effort moving from page to page to check infoboxes for their alignment, your contributions will likely be seen, at best, as being of little worth. Someone with your clear willingness and ability to make this kind of change can be so much more useful than that! There are literally hundreds of similar types of s that would actually be useful to the project. --valereee (talk) 13:13, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
SacredDragonX, I agree with the WP:WIKIGNOME suggestion. If you want to make small, helpful s, that's the way to go.
Back to the infobox question for a moment though, an infobox could actually have all the fields and data on one continuous line and it would still render the same on the "published" page for the reader to see. So, just having one parameter/information entry per line is already enough clarity. I would be confident in guessing that most ors who want to update an infobox are comfortable with just scanning down the left side of the window to find the field they want to and the number of spaces before or after the equal sign doesn't make much of a difference to them at all. Hope this helps, †dismas†|(talk) 13:36, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Removed []

My s are being removed and apparently tagged as vandalism when it is not. I am simply trying to correct information that is wrong on a page — Preceding unsigned comment added by AngelCoulbyArmy (talkcontribs) 15:19, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

AngelCoulbyArmy, On some of the reverts, the user who reverted the s says it is supported by literature, and requests you start a discussion on the talk page of the article. If you think you are right, I would encourage you to start said discussion, as you are currently straying into war territory. WelpThatWorked (talk) 15:25, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Could you point me to what the discussion talk page of the article is please? I don’t want to make a mistake — Preceding unsigned comment added by AngelCoulbyArmy (talkcontribs) 15:43, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

@AngelCoulbyArmy: Go to the article and click on the 'talk' tab at the top of the page: towards the left next to the article tab. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 16:02, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Question about protection lock icon[]

I have a question about the lock icons on protected pages. I have found the page that explains protection and what the different lock icons mean (a lock with an arrow means upload protection, a lock with an “O” means office protection, etc.)

But the icon I’m seeing is not included in that list of icons. It is a dark grey lock with a solid white circle. I don’t mean the black “office protection” icon with the letter “O” on it — this is a solid white circle.

An example is on the “Black Hole” page here:

When I click on the icon, a pop-up tells me “This page is protected to prevent vandalism”. But because the icon does not appear in the list of icons on the “Protection” page, I can’t get any more information about who protected it, why, and how to send an request.

I am a confirmed or, and I am logged in — I can unprotected pages.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miss Thistlebottom (talkcontribs) 15:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

It is a semi protection lock. Locks look different on mobile but I couldn't find a list of them. Rmhermen (talk) 18:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
It is present at . It has a circle and a white area underneath to represent a person. It is the Silver colored lock.Naraht (talk) 20:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Question about licensing[]

Every page I create on Wikipedia (example: WP:1AM) has the following at the bottom:

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a non-profit organization.

However, I choose not to release my contributions under CC BY-SA 3.0 but instead under the Creative Commons CC0 "No Rights Reserved" license. See and Creative Commons license#Zero for details.

While many places on Wikipedia incorrectly claim that agreeing to CC BY-SA 3.0 is required, the actual rule is CC BY-SA 3.0 or compatible, which CC0 is. Example: at I released an image under CC0, not CC BY-SA 3.0. (Note the difference in the notice at the bottom of commons).

Is there is any way to get the proper license on my English Wikipedia contributions the way that it is on my Wikimedia commons contributions? --Guy Macon (talk) 17:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: Whenever I a page, there is this message: "By publishing changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license". Can you explain why you think you can choose a different license? When you upload an image, there may be more than one license you can choose from. I don't think that applies to text contributions. RudolfRed (talk) 18:09, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
@Guy Macon: There is a difference between files and texts. A file usually has one author or owner who determines the license. Text is written to wiki pages which can have many authors. CC BY-SA 3.0 applies to text contributions at both Wikipedia and Commons (called "unstructured texts" in commons:MediaWiki:Wikimedia-commons-copyright). Per Wikipedia:User pages#What may I have in my user pages? you can specify a wider license for your text contributions but not a narrower. CC0 is wider than CC BY-SA 3.0 so that is OK. People who want to reuse your text contributions can check your user page and s. If something was written solely by you then they don't have to follow the CC BY-SA 3.0 terms. If they do follow the CC BY-SA 3.0 terms then it's safe no matter what you or others say on your user page because you agree to CC BY-SA 3.0 every time you save an (this assumes the s didn't violate the copyrights of others). There is no way to say in the interface that everything on a given page is CC0 or another wider license than CC BY-SA 3.0. The bottom of any wiki page displays MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
@Guy Macon:You own the copyright to your contributions, so you are free to license it to anyone under any license. However, when you create or add to a page on Wikipedia, you are working in collaboration with others, and the collaborative work must be available to anyone under CC BY-SA. So, you have the legal right to state (e.g., on your user page) that all of your work is released under CC0, but this does not make practical sense and it will lead to confusion, because it does NOT apply to any other or's s on pages that you contribute to, and you cannot prevent others from contributing to those pages. If you really want to make your work available under CC0, as opposed to merely wikilawyering, then you will need to put it up on a web site that is under your exclusive control. -Arch dude (talk) 19:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I am perfectly willing to delete any contributions to WP:1AM where the or does not agree to a CC0 license, and as the page in in my userspace I am free to do that. So why can't I have the notice on the bottom of the page reflect this? And why can't the window say that by ing this page you agree to release your work under CC0? Shouldn't that be my choice to make as long as the WMF says that the CC0 license is compatible with CC BY-SA and allowable on all WMF projects? --Guy Macon (talk) 07:45, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
You can use {{CC-0 Release}} on your user page to make it easier to spot. It also adds you to Category:Wikipedians with public domain text contributions. I don't know a template which can be added to a text page to claim a different license for the page. It would be problematic since the page may have or get s from users who have not agreed. It's also common to copy text from other Wikipedia pages. I suspect the Wikimedia legal counsel would oppose any method to change MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright on some pages. Editors expect the license to be the same on all their text s. It could be considered a trap if some pages suddenly state another license in the window, and it could deter ors from contributing anywhere if they have to read the fine print on every to know their rights. Wikipedia:Ownership of content#User pages says: "Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. Nevertheless, they are not personal homepages, and are not owned by the user." WP:USERESSAY says: "The author of a personal essay located in his or her user space has the prerogative to revert any changes made to it by any other user, within reason." PrimeHunter (talk) 11:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Technical question regarding an ing problem[]

I have been working extensively on the New Albion article, and I am experiencing difficulty with simply spacing correctly between the first and second paragraphs in the section titled: Twentieth-century identification. I have rewritten it numerous times and still the incorrect results. Might someone be able to advise me or correct the problem?Hu Nhu (talk) 17:53, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Hu Nhu, I started the text on a different line from the image, seems to work in Firefox for me? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:13, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 Done @Jimfbleak: - that solved the problem. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:26, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

photos with Wikipedia entries:[]

Resolved: 23:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

How does one upload a photo? I would like to put a photo on my late husband's entry (Charles Goodwin). Marjorie Goodwin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marjoriegoodwin (talkcontribs) 22:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

@Marjoriegoodwin: You can upload the picture to Wikimedia Commons, so it can be used on all Wikimedia projects (including this wiki) by clicking here and following the instructions there. Thank you! MrClog (talk) 23:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

March 21[]

Sihanoukville (city) has two styles of image caption[]

I doubt that it's intentional, but, somehow, the captions for the images in the above article vary: some are in boldface type; the rest are "normal". Why is that?--Quisqualis (talk) 00:50, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

I left a message on his Talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:27, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Editing my entry[]

How do I my entry? My birthdate is incoorect (1949 not 1050) and other features are incomplete. Not clear to me who drafted this stub ebtry. GB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Borgida (talkcontribs) 01:05, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Borgida: Google probably got 1950 from your Wikidata entry, which has your birthday (year only) as 1950. a Wikidata robot added it, probably from one of the various bibliographical databases listed in the "authority control" table in your article. Sorry to send you on a wild goose chase, but Wikidata is a separate project and I do not know how it works. Please ask at their help desk. If you cannot make any headway over there, come back here and we can learn how to do this together. You can go to the wikidata item from the link in the left-hand column of the article display on a desktop browser.-Arch dude (talk) 05:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
The Wikidata item said the reference was Expanding "Record views" there and clicking "VIAF Cluster in XML" gives which says: "<ns1:birthDate>1950</ns1:birthDate>". PrimeHunter (talk) 10:44, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Taking this one step further, what can Dr. Borgida do to correct the VIAF database? It's not techically a Wikipedia problem or even a Wikidata problem, but we get legitimate complaints like this several times a year, and it would be nice to have a stock answer. -Arch dude (talk) 14:50, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
I found Wikipedia:VIAF/errors. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:50, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Alison Heather[]

Hello I am the partner of Alison Heather. A few months ago a probably well meaning person started Wikipages for Alison and several other women in academia in New Zealand. We are new to wikipedia but have been alarmed to find that anyone at all seems to be able to add and delete comments about Alison's life (a living person). What was at one time a reasonable but succinct paragraph about her career has now been trimmed to near nothing and, I think you call it "vandalised" by someone called "nauseated man" who is campaigning for transgenders. S/he has added upsetting accusations about Alison as "terf" (trans-exclusionary radical feminist) (I had to look it up) and persists in doing this despite my deleting it. Can we get this person (and no doubt other campaigners) banned from ing Alison's site? If this is not possible, we think the best thing is just to have the whole page deleted as we never wanted in the first place. Thanks Allan Herbison SD1914 (talk) 01:19, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

If Alison is notable enough as an academic to merit an article, we will not delete the article because she or some third party disapproves of the content. We are, of course, always seeking to make our articles better. You need to begin by discussing the needed corrections on the talk page of the article, Talk:Alison Heather. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Orangemike, I removed the comment--I don't know about "inflammatory" and all that, but I also don't see how it's relevant--it seems to me to be a rather weak attempt to smear. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
I have removed a similar sentence from Rosa Freedman per WP:SYNTHESIS .[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:48, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@SD1914: Wikipedia is supposed to rely on reliable sources. Statements that are validly cited to reliable sources should in general be retained (See WP:RS), and uncited material can be removed by any or, usually after discussion. Statements about living people are held to a higher standard (See WP:BLP) and uncited material in any article must be removed by any or, without discussion: a discussion can then take place on the article talk page about whether a reliable source can be found before the statement can be re-instated. If this leads to a content dispute, see WP:DISPUTE. If a vandal is involved, see WP:AIV. -Arch dude (talk) 01:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone for their advice and help with this. We are certainly having our eyes opened to Wikipaedia. I remain amazed that a living person has no control over whether they have a page on Wikipedia, not to mention its content. Very open to abuse by any individual, as has been the case here.SD1914 (talk) 00:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

How to add pictures[]

Hi, I would like to add a picture of my anus to the article about anuses. I own the picture so there would be no copyright problem. Can someone help me figure out how to do this? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinsalat (talkcontribs) 03:14, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

You could start a discussion at Talk:Anus about this, after you've figured out how to upload images. Lourdes 04:50, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@Spinsalat: the only contribution you have ever made to Wikipedia is to ask this question; which article are you referring to? --Gronk Oz (talk) 06:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Probably Human anus would be the relevant article: but this already has pictures, and we wouldn't want more unless the extra pictures really provided information or understanding not already present: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:12, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- I think we're being trolled - Internet troll - Epinoia (talk) 16:52, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
An open letter to the internet from Trolls United Against Defamation:
First an introduction. What I'd like to talk about are "Trolls". We have been much maligned over the years but have decided to come out from under our "bridges" and once again take our rightful place in society.
Many of you older readers may remember the friendly little man who lived under the courthouse steps in your home town, he was a well-liked and respected member of the community, your parents approved of his occupation and understood that "it was a tough job, but someone had to do it". In small town America in the '50s no one questioned the valuable place your local trolls played in society.
Readers who grew up in the '60s may remember being distraught by Oppie's special friend Max's sudden disappearance from Mayberry after the actor who played him was blacklisted following the McCarthy hearings.
Let me try and explain the whole sordid story as briefly as possible. It all started with what we trolls commonly refer to as "the goat incident". Back in the spring of 1957 there were wild press reports from Eastern Europe about a poor hungry troll eating some goats who woke him up while sleeping under a bridge. Naturally the press blew it way out of proportion, and someone noticed that not only were there trolls behind the iron curtain, but here in the US too.
Joseph McCarthy (a lawyer!) came out of retirement and started up 'HURT' the 'House Un-American Reaction to Trolls' - Trolls were subpoenaed, question, publicly vilified and driven from their occupations all across the country, in the south trolls were driven from town by the KKK on horseback. Those trolls whom survived moved to the wilder parts of the country to hide out. Some even moved north to Canada.
At the time our knowledge of ecology and ecosystems was not advanced enough to predict the horrible results this would cause. As the Soviets were finding out by the '60s if you take away its usual prey a predator will turn elsewhere. They banned lawyers in most communist countries, which of course explains the plight of that poor hungry troll under that bridge that started this whole mess.
After banning Trolls, the US is now suffering from a most horrible scourge. Just like removing the wolves from Yellowstone resulted in Elk herds that multiplied out of control and devastated the grazing for all other species, taking your local troll out from his usual place below the courthouse steps has resulted in lawyers multiplying completely out of control with dire consequences to all parts of society.
We intend to once again become the respected useful members of society our parents and grandparents were. And after much soul-searching we realized that we would need good legal council. As you might imagine this was hard to come by, so we decided that we needed to train some of our own people in the law. I, and my colleagues, worked our way through law school, it was hard, we suffered under much discrimination from the faculty, we spent long nights suffering working through the law books, and days resisting temptation in class. In the end we graduated top of our class - in fact in that year we were the only ones who survived graduated.
We moved into private practice as "Troll, Troll, Troll and Bandicoot" mostly doing civil rights law for other trolls. Recently you may have heard of the very substantial out of court settlement we received from the Tolkien estate in our libel case. We intend to use this money to fund future legal work for our clients.
Which brings me to the main purpose of this letter. it has come to our attention that some people on the internet have been using the name "troll" in a negative, derogatory manner. This must stop immediately. Along with our co-litigants the Spam Industry Council we are today serving a class action suit, on behalf of all trolls everywhere, on all people who have participated in the practice of 'trolling'.
We were lucky that the law firm behind Rightscorp after some initial reluctance were yummy able to help us in searching Wikipedia's history to discover the perpetrators and to electronically serve all those who were found responsible.
I hope that this will be the end of this matter.
Thank you for your attention
Timothy T. Troll
Attorney at Law
Troll, Troll, Troll, and Bandicoot
--Guy Macon (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Guy, have you thought about submitting this to Fantasy & Science Fiction or a similar magazine? {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 21:51, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
– did you mean as well as adding it to a Wikipedia help page, or instead of ...?: Bhunacat10 (talk), 23:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

element of political science[]

The First amendment to the American constitution also lawfully secures __ and __? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:55, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

If you wish to improve a particular Wikipedia article, you are welcome to either the article yourself, or post a suggestion on that article's talk page. In either case be sure to cite one or more reliable sources in support of any information you are adding or changing. I've sent you a "welcome message" including links that may help you learn more about Wikipedia: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Winifred Holtby[]

Winifred Holtby's South African connections are little known outside South Africa. In 1926 she spent six months in the country as a lecturer for the League of Nations Union. While there she met Clements Kadalie, the leader of the black trade union, the Industrial and Commercial Workers Union (ICU). Here she seems to have found the cause she had been seeking, that would enable her to pay the debt that she felt that she owed to humanity for her own good fortune.

On her return to England Holtby threw herself into the task of finding the ICU an advisor who could help Kadalie and the ICU to negotiate the racist landscape of South African trade unionism. As a result of her efforts, a Scot, William Ballinger, went out to South Africa to assist Kadalie. Although the ICU was already collapsing under the weight of racist opposition and internal corruption, Ballinger remained committed to the cause of South African black people. In this he was greatly assisted by Winifred Holtby who worked hard to raise funds, especially through the Independent Labour Party, to pay him a meagre salary. Before she died her work was partly institutionalised in an organisation, 'The Friends of Africa' which, under the aegis of Arthur Creech Jones, would enable her work in South Africa to continue. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabethboudina (talkcontribs) 11:49, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Elizabethboudina: Hello, do you have a question about how to use or Wikipedia? If so please provide a link to any page where you are encountering difficulty. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:20, 21 March 2019 (UTC)


  1. ^ PL Wickens, The Industrial and Commercial Workers Union of Africa (Cape Town, Oxford University Press, 1978) p. 9 and elsewhere; Marion Shaw, The Clear Stream, (London, Virago Press, 1999) ch 6; V Brittain, Testament of Friendship, (London, Macmillan, 1940), many references.

New article- Romanian singer Bibi[]

Hi. I was created a new article about Romanian singer and vlogger Bibi, the article has sources of good faith. What's the next step to see the article on Wikipedia? Please help me. Thanks a lot. VladMihai1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by VladMihai1 (User Draft:VladMihai1contribs) 11:54, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

It seems you've already figured out how to submit it for review. Eagleash (talk) 12:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Your draft has been submitted for review, and (as it says in the brown box) it will hopefully be reviewed within about 2 months. While you are waiting, one thing which you can do to help reviewers is to address the fact that your references are bare URLs. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:51, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Quebec City Summer Festival[]

Quebec City Summer Festival ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)


 On the page   ""Quebec City Summer Festival"", we want to change the name for ""FEQ""
The music festival name is officially FEQ now

Who change the name of the page ?

Thank you for your answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave.paige (talkcontribs) 12:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Dave.paige: Move requested at Talk:Quebec_City_Summer_Festival. FEQ is currently used as a redirect so I needed administrator help. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 18:03, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

St. Joseph High School (Victoria, Texas)[]

The facts about our school on the right margin of our wikipedia pages are not able to be ed. How can we access this information to correct it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shandeejharrell (talkcontribs) 13:52, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

You forgot to give us a link to the page about which you were taling. If it is St. Joseph High School (Victoria, Texas), there is no protection to stop you ing, so just click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the page. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
( conflict) They are not your wikipedia pages, they are Wikipedia's page about you. You need to read and follow WP:COI if you are connected to the school, and if you are a member of staff then also WP:PAID. What you can do immediately is go to the talk page and state what the errors are and where someone can check up on your corrections. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:01, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

How To Use Template like " PAGENAME/Template:Templatename " ?[]

I want to create a template like " PAGENAME/Template:Templatename " but I don't kwon how to cite it ( The {{PAGENAME/Templatename}} would cite the Template:PAGENAME/Templatename ), does anyone know how to cite the Template? --HFWMan (talk) 14:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@HFWMan: I don't know what you mean. PAGENAME/Template:Templatename would be a mainspace page. Mainspace is for articles and not templates, and mainspace does not have subpages. If you want to transclude a mainspace page then place a colon in front, e.g. {{:Example}} to transclude Example. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter::I mean how to use the subtemplate Template:Templatename of the PAGENAME/Template:Templatename ? --HFWMan (talk) 14:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@HFWMan: I still don't know what you mean. If PAGENAME does not start with "Template:" then PAGENAME/Template:Templatename is not a template or subtemplate, and adding /Template:Templatename to a pagename is not how we make subtemplates anyway. Template:HD/image is an example of a subtemplate. It's transcluded with {{HD/image}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:51, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: OK, it seems that only a subpage of a user page (like Pagename of the user:Richard/Pagename) could be regarded as a template by MediaWiki ( as {{user:Richard/Pagename}} ).--HFWMan (talk) 14:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@HFWMan: user:Richard/Pagename is a subpage but not a subtemplate. Any wiki page can be transcluded with {{...}}. The only special cases are mainspace where you need a colon {{:...}} and "Template:..." where you can omit "Template:". PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thanks for your patient support, with your help, I finally created a {{Notice}} subpage for its mother page. Thank you very much. --HFWMan (talk) 15:21, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
You didn't create it here with your account but if it works wherever you created it then good. Maybe it's at a wiki which uses other terminology and pagename rules. This help desk is for the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Atheist Wikipedia?[]

Wikipedia is also a atheist website? this article and some other articles says that Gods and religions are myths, so Wikipedia is also a atheist website? (talk) 16:03, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Myth#Definitions mentions different definitions and includes: "However, as commonly used by folklorists and academics in other relevant fields, such as anthropology, the term myth has no implication whether the narrative may be understood as true or otherwise." Wikipedia has a neutral point of view and generally does not claim that religious beliefs are true or false, although we have five million articles and there may be exceptions. Many articles about science are based on scientific sources and do not always mention that the content may be inconsistent with some religious beliefs. For example, many science articles say something happened longer ago than the age of the universe according to Young Earth creationism. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:15, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
As PrimeHunter hinted to, you might have a simple vocabulary confusion. For instance, we have a page about national myths. Nobody in their right senses would say the Boston Tea Party or the Expion of the Thousand have not happened; however, those events have a lasting impact on American and Italian culture and politics. TigraanClick here to contact me 16:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
I think it is worth remembering that Wikipedia is an evidence-based project, and articles about religious subjects will reflect that lack of evidence. Roxy, the dog. wooF 16:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Uploaded SVG files[]

Hi folks, I have uploaded some SVG files, e.g. [2] which is showing as black. I have one on an article which is also showing as black, even though I have several other svg on the same article. Any ideas what could be causing it. scope_creepTalk 18:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Scope creep: I'm not a graphics expert, but noticed that it's an .svg, and the others are .png. For interested ors, it's in this section Luftnachrichten_Abteilung_350#Operations_in_the_east. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 18:32, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
It seems SVG is standard on here. I dont mind uploading png, but what is the point. It would fix it certainly. A whole lot of the images on Luftnachrichten Abteilung 350 are SVG. scope_creepTalk 18:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@Scope creep: Inkscape produces flowed text, which is not part of the SVG standard. Some browers and other programs render it as desired, and some do not. If you created the SVG file, then fix it. If not, then you are forced to find a propgram that can render it. See c:Help:SVG. -Arch dude (talk) 19:03, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@Arch dude: I created the SVG from a diagram using Visio 2016. The diagram was created in Visio. It has created several SVG files in the last few weeks, and they are all good and I have created a couple in between the last black image. Is it a font problem? Its using Calibri 14pt. scope_creepTalk 19:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@Scope creep: I don't use Visio, so I don't know. However, your symptoms sound suspiciously similar to the Inkscape problem as described at c:Help:SVG Read the "black rectangle" section of that document. You can use a text or to search for the "flowRoot" in the .svg file. If you find it, then it's the same problem and amenable to the same solutions. -Arch dude (talk) 23:53, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
@Arch dude: Thanks. Indeed it seems to be a known problem going back more than 12+ years, evidenced in several different products. I will take a look. scope_creepTalk 01:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
@Arch dude: I found an image I upload several days ago at Red Orchestra (espionage)#Networking. I put the XML markup at User:Scope creep/temp sandbox for the Sukolov Group Belgium.svg. I doesn't have that property. scope_creepTalk 01:28, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Links without https and without underscores[]

Sometimes I want to link to some past thread, like this:

I know using the ext link url like this is not good.

It should properly look like this:

Is there a way to make that without manually removing all those underscores. (I actually use a notepad macro, but seek a better way.)

Many thanks,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:08, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak, The fastest way would probably be to copy-paste the title, manually add the #, then copy-paste from the Table of contents. WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, WelpThatWorked. If that is the best Wikipedia can do, then I will probably post at the Village pump to see of someone can make a script or something. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Anna Frodesiak, Given that underscores aren't used in titles anyway, It should be easy to write a simple text replace script to do it. I may even be able to cobble a quick tool together, but it depends how exactly you want it to function (E.G. A button in the sidebar that pops up a text box to convert it, or something else?) WelpThatWorked (talk) 21:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi WelpThatWorked. Good question. I'm not sure. What do you think would be easiest to use? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:57, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Teensy survey[]

Is the above something that you encounter and would like to be easier? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:30, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Remove the [test] brackets:
A template to display section titles cleanly would be good.. even better the option to paste in the full URL (lazy cut and paste) and it will display only the section title with a wikilink instead of URL link. -- GreenC 22:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

March 22[]

Archiving a Talk page[]

I've followed the instructions for making my first Talk page archive. Here's the result: User talk:Quisqualis/Archive 1. As one might expect, given the instructions, the page lacks functionality.

Wikipedia has "evolved" to the point that it is assumed that a WP user is a programmer. That is not my chosen career, nor the career of anyone I know. If instructions say copy to clipboard, I copy the text to the clipboard, not expecting functionality, and, not surprisingly, not getting it, either. Was I to read between the lines? How might I obtain an archive of pre-2019 posts to my Talk page?--Quisqualis (talk) 04:18, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: If you were following the instructions at Help:Archiving a talk page#Step-by-step procedure, I believe you may have skipped step one, "Click on the Edit source tab for the talk page you wish to archive." I've fixed up the archive for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:05, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks, John of Reading.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:22, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I want to make a clean Wikipia format when I make a new article[]

I read some articles from Wikipidia and then I want to write some articles to put more information. However, I couldn't find a way to make a article clean like Wikipidia format(templates). For example, I couldn't find clean chart and line. In addition, I wanted to changed a picture so I ed it. Nevertheless, I was failed to change a picture but just uploaded a picture. Would you mind if you teach me a way to change Wikipidia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunghokyoung (talkcontribs) 08:15, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Sunghokyoung: I have left some information on your talk page on how to get started. scope_creepTalk 08:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Can I use the image used in the article on Wikipedia?[]

As far as I know, the images used in Wikipedia have copyright problems, which many people seem to upload images used in articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chominkook (talkcontribs) 08:17, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Chominkook: What images are you talking about specifically. scope_creepTalk 09:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
@User:Scope_creep, based on Chominkook's history I imagine they're talking about this photo, the copyright status of which I agree is extremely confusing. I'd consider myself one of Wikipedia's authorities on image copyrights and even I can't figure out its status; it appears to have five different licenses, all of which contradict each other, and one of which includes available only for publication by news organizations and/or for personal printing by the subject(s) of the photograph (which would prevent Wikipedia using it if that's the case). ‑ Iridescent 12:14, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Iridescent: I see it has a verified OTRS ticket at the bottom on the Licensing page and may be used for any purpose as its free use on any page. scope_creepTalk 12:33, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
@scope_creep, it doesn't appear to be as simple as that. The OTRS release is the copyright holder has approved publication under the terms mentioned on this page (and the OTRS release for the image from which it's cropped is follow any licensing requirements mentioned on this page, but in this case, "the terms mentioned on this page" include only for publication by news organizations and/or for personal printing by the subject(s) of the photograph. The photograph may not be manipulated in any way. which would invalidate it for use by Commons or Wikipedia, as the OTRS release is releasing it conditional on compliance with terms that are incompatible with our terms of use. (The idea of an OTRS release for an image that's been scraped from Flickr also seems extremely odd; why would they go through all the hassle of sending the release to us rather than just changing the Flickr licensing status?)

The Flickr page from which the image has been scraped is uploaded under CC BY-SA 2.0, so it is valid for reuse on Wikipedia and all the terms and conditions they're trying to set can be disregarded, but I don't in the least blame the original questioner for being confused. ‑ Iridescent 12:48, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Adding an extra column to a list template[]

I would like to add extra columns to two template lists, Grade I listed buildings in Monmouthshire and Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire. These would be Reference columns, (Ref), at the far right, to mirror the style seen here, Grade I listed buildings in South Somerset. Unfortunately, I've no idea how to do it. Can anyone advise. Many thanks in anticipation. KJP1 (talk) 09:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid that is not trivial. The Monmouthshire buildings use the CADW templates ({{Cadw listed building header}}) which doesn't has the ref column functionality. The Somersetshire one uses English Heritage's version ({{English Heritage listed building header}}) which does support a number of optional columns. To include a ref column in the CADW system you would need to expand both the header and the row templates. Not trivial if you've not ed templates before, but it is unlocked and there is a sandbox for testing. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Martin of Sheffield - Many thanks. That's very helpful. I shall go and have a look but I may well be back for further advice. Presumably, I can't change it just for the Monmouthshire lists, changes would also impact on the other Welsh counties lists? KJP1 (talk) 10:04, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes (unless some Welsh counties do not use the CADW headers). That is why you must use the sandbox (and tests if provided). Probably worth getting a second pair of eyes to check what you've done before going live. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:21, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
You can make the ref column optional like with show_ref in {{English Heritage listed building header}} and {{English Heritage listed building row}}. If implemented correctly, this will not change the rendering of existing uses without references. If the ref column is always added then existing uses will get empty cells there. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
PrimeHunter - Many thanks again. I did notice the optionality of the HE template. I'm a little reluctant to try my hand at amending a widely-used template and have asked the author (a) if they are content for the change to be made and (b) whether they would consider making it. I see there is actually at least one Welsh version that does have the Ref Column, Listed buildings in Cardiff#Grade II* listed buildings. If the author's happy for the change to be made, but can't undertake it themselves, is there Templates Helpdesk where I could ask for the amendment to be done? KJP1 (talk) 13:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

nurse practitioners[]

the second sentence under this heading states nurse practitioners are considered mid level providers. this is incorrect and antiquated. the correct term: nurse practitioners are considered advance practice providers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctsbishop (talkcontribs) 12:42, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Oak Valley Texas[]

FYI: Oak Valley has disincorporated years ago. No longer exists FYI Jim Compton — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:53, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Help with move[]

I very un-cleverly moved American League Park to American League Park (Washington). I have now moved American League Park to American League Park (disambiguation). I need to move American League Park (Washington) back to just plain American League Park, over top of the redirect. Can someone help with that? Thank you! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC)